is it only me or does anyone else think archers are bad on high ground

[ash874]

they seems to function best on flat ground.
i always try to put them on high ground and expect them to gain more range, but it doesnt seem to work.
they have even less range (as far as i can tell) and a lot of times they cant shoot (they stuck in reloading status until the enemy comes closer). also if you are on flat land and there is a piece of land that is like a shallow hole before you, than they often cant shoot to there too

[Seleukos_I.]

It's only you.
Nah seriously they are a lot better on high grounds. The enemy will take longer to get there and they have increased range. When they are stuck in reloading it often hepls to press "stop" or aim their target manually.

[Myshkin]

Aye

[Lysimachus]

As long as if you place troops in front of them they are below the archers. Otherwise the archers will shoot right in to your own ranks.

[PSIHOPAT]

is it only me or does anyone else think archers are bad on high ground

Archers who shoot from the high ground shoot much further...

...also they always have advantage to shoot over the allied heads...directly in the enemy heads

Try this and say me if is true...

[confused german]

Maybe deployed your ranks too closely?

[eugenioso]

in addition to the totally overwhelming <cough> support you get, here are my words:


when an archer unit tries to target a unit and it has a direct field of fire (the first ranks usually) they will simply fire their arrows directly at the enemy.

however, when you place them on top of a big hill, most or not any troops have any sort of direct mark on the enemy unit, and as a result they fire big, inaccurate volleys. try it yourself.

another big mistake in MTW2. , rome was good with archers. they were archers and balanced. they did their job. but the big break came when CA's support service went to see the community and complained that the soldiers fired into their rear ranks. a late patch fixed this marginally. and for MTW2, we get the friggin volley.

i still dont get it. in the original MTW, your archers fired in ARCHES to the enemy. not VOLLEYS! not STRAIGHT TOWARDS THE ENEMY AND HITTING MY MEN'S BACK!. why in s name couldnt they just keep that feature???

heres a tip for you CA: dont fix what aint broken!

[Disco_Stu]

heres a tip for you CA: dont fix what aint broken!

but thats what CA is best at... well that and making incomplete games.

[Outlawstar15a2]

It's you, I use archers all the time and they are absolutely glorious in this mod. Though I hate stakes.

[airborne guy]

but thats what CA is best at... well that and making incomplete games.

Lol, they really jacked up ETW! Archers on hills own, especially SE, I love killing full mordor stacks with 12 or 13 companies of archers with very little infantry support. If I can find some high ground then it will really be a huge advantage

[Silver Knight]

Maybe its just me, but when I plave my archers on cliffs to gain range, they don't, half the time they think they can shoot ( the enemie is in range), but when you tell them to fire they dont (note-hills are fine, its just cliffs)

[Outlawstar15a2]

Maybe its just me, but when I plave my archers on cliffs to gain range, they don't, half the time they think they can shoot ( the enemie is in range), but when you tell them to fire they dont (note-hills are fine, its just cliffs)

Your not alone I have that problem to.

[Vifarc]

They shoot farther, so when they shoot far they shoot less acurate...
And, don't put the archers on top of the hill: Put them on the high slope, so the back archers can see as they will be a little higher than the front ones.

[Withwnar]

There's a limit to how low they can aim. Same with being on walls - they can't shoot troops directly below them. You can change it in descr_projectiles.txt - it's the min_angle value. That might help with the cliff problem.

[Mega Tortas de Bodemloze]

they seems to function best on flat ground.
i always try to put them on high ground and expect them to gain more range, but it doesnt seem to work.
they have even less range (as far as i can tell) and a lot of times they cant shoot (they stuck in reloading status until the enemy comes closer). also if you are on flat land and there is a piece of land that is like a shallow hole before you, than they often cant shoot to there too

in regards to the high ground I hear what your saying, it's happended to me several times and drives me nuts.... Play 1.3 straight up and it also happens with SS 6.2

[Maha Moggalana]

Use your archer carefully , don't use Fire at will too much

[Altimis]

How to do archer volley? they just firing rapidly at will [both fire at will and manual]

sometime they shoots volley and it look cool =)

[Point Blank]

They also do extra damage when shooting at lower targets.

[Myshkin]

Due to the increased projectile velocity, if I got it right...

Yesterday was asking this annoying guy above some questions on projectiles, so I am testing my knowledge.

Have you understood what is the offset value e.g. "effect_offset -1.5" PB? It's not so clear in my head.

Many thanks again, and + rep to you for the help.

[FriendoftheDork]

Yeah archers shooting from cliffs are seriously bugged, which is one of the reason why I hated fighting in the alps in M2TW.

Hills are very good to fire from though. Too bad walls with arrow slits don't work properly either, and archers mostly fire straight up in the air instead of down at the enemy. In castle sieges I mostly let the ballista towers do the work while my archers just rains some arrows with little effect.

In open field battles archers rock, even with attack power 2 in RR/RC you can still get alot of kills used properly. I imagine elves must be insane, but I have never played with anything with missile attack above 4 for archer units.