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    Washington (CNN) -- Dashing the hopes of Democratic lawmakers Sunday, Sen. Joseph Lieberman signaled he would oppose a health care bill that includes a proposal to expand Medicare to people as young as 55.
    The independent Connecticut senator has told Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, that he would vote against the Medicare at 55 proposal. He also said he would oppose cloture and work with the GOP if it ends up in the final version of the bill, two Democratic sources told CNN Sunday.

    Unanimous Republican opposition so far means Senate Democrats need all 60 votes in their caucus, which includes Lieberman, to pass the sweeping bill.
    Earlier, on the CBS program "Face the Nation," Lieberman and moderate Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska cited necessary changes to the bill before they would vote for it.
    Lieberman outlined steps that he said would ensure the bill passes the Senate with support from Democrats and some Republicans. Forget about the government-run public health insurance option, Lieberman said, as well as the Medicare measure that was proposed last week as part of a package of alternatives to the public option.

    Lieberman's other conditions were eliminating a government insurance program focused on home health care for the disabled and strengthening cost-containment provisions.
    "We don't need to keep adding on to the back of this horse until the horse breaks down and we get nothing done," Lieberman said.
    A senior Senate Democratic leadership aide told CNN that the "Democratic leadership was shocked about how strident Lieberman was in his opposition to the Medicare proposal when he went on the Sunday shows."
    However, Lieberman spokesman Marshall Whitmann said the senator first informed Reid on Friday that he had concerns about the Medicare 55 buy-in and "reaffirmed it today."
    Reid spend the afternoon trying to get the 60 votes, according to the aide, who said Democrats still believe the Senate can produce a bill by Christmas but acknowledged that they might have to look elsewhere for the 60 votes.
    Nelson said he cannot support the Senate bill without tighter restrictions on federal funding for abortion. The Senate last week defeated an amendment proposed by Nelson and two other senators that would adopt the tougher language contained in the House health care bill.
    A compromise on the abortion language is possible, said Nelson, one of 10 Senate Democrats who negotiated in private last week to seek a compromise to the equally controversial public option.
    The negotiators reached a tentative agreement on alternatives, including the Medicare expansion to people 55 and older who lack health insurance, as well as allowing private insurers to offer nonprofit coverage under government supervision.
    Their agreement, hailed by President Obama and Democratic leaders as an important step forward, still must be analyzed for its total cost by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.
    Several Democrats said Sunday they would decide on the compromise once they get the CBO analysis.
    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, also on "Face the Nation," signaled continuing opposition to any health care bill even if Democrats settle their differences.
    "We do not believe this bill, this nearly 2,100-page monstrosity, is real health care reform," McConnell said.
    Most Democrats support the public option as a nonprofit competitor to private insurers that would expand coverage and bring down prices. Republicans and some moderate Democrats, along with the health insurance industry, oppose the public option, saying it would be a first step toward a government takeover of the entire health care system.
    The fate of the health care bill could hinge on the votes of as few as one senator from each party. If Democrats can get 59 of their 60 caucus members to support the bill -- for example, by changing the abortion language to secure Nelson's vote -- they can focus on gaining the vote of moderate Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine, who has signaled an openness to compromise.
    If the Senate eventually passes a health care bill, its version will have to be merged by a conference committee with the House version passed last month. The final bill would then need approval from both chambers before going to Obama to be signed into law.
    The president and Democratic leaders have said they want the bill completed this year. The Senate would need to finish its work this week to leave a realistic chance of meeting that schedule.


    This guy is a ing joke. IMO everything he says is "do it my way or I wont vote for this". He opposes government Insurance for the disabled because he believes they should get off their fat ass and work.

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    He opposes government Insurance for the disabled because he believes they should get off their fat ass and work.
    Hmmm... I highly doubt that but:

    RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE, RABBLE RABBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    ****ing Joe Lieberman. I read in Time magazine that he used to juggle cocks to put himself through college.




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    I propose a new catch-all thread for Lieberman titled "Lieberman opposes everything".
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    Obviously, Lieberman has undergone a mind-swap with a petulant two year old: "I want! I want!. My way! My way!"
    Young lady, I am an expert on humans. Now pick a mouth, open it and say "brglgrglgrrr"!

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    Hm, I had heard his new slogan had changed from "Lieberman for Medicare" to "Medicare for Lieberman." Kinda how he does with his constituents, see.
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    "We don't need to keep adding on to the back of this horse until the horse breaks down and we get nothing done," Lieberman said.
    This is what he is talking about. They want heathcare reform. Fine. They want a public option. Good luck. Now they want to extend medicare services to 55 year olds. When is this going to stop? Where is all this money coming from and who is going to pay for it? Thank God for Joe Liberman. Block, block, block...

    Perhaps some of us Americans would rather plan for our own futures intead of a government that thinks it has a better idea of what to do with our life and money. Furthermore doesn't anyone that want's more government take a good look at all the politicans, Repubs and Dems alike, and then tell me you trust them to make decisions for you reguarding your life and your future. I sure as hell don't. That wasn't supposed to be the role of government, you know micromanaging it's citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Red View Post
    This is what he is talking about. They want heathcare reform. Fine. They want a public option. Good luck. Now they want to extend medicare services to 55 year olds. When is this going to stop? Where is all this money coming from and who is going to pay for it? Thank God for Joe Liberman. Block, block, block...
    Man you make it sound like they were going for both public option and 55+ Medicare. You can at least make your rant sound correct.
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    No, I think you are missing his point: RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE LIEBERMAN RABBLE RABBLE. We don't need to get bogged down in mundane details such as "where's the money coming from."
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    Washington (CNN) -- Dashing the hopes of Democratic lawmakers Sunday, Sen. Joseph Lieberman signaled he would oppose a health care bill that includes a proposal to expand Medicare to people as young as 55.

    Forget about the government-run public health insurance option, Lieberman said, as well as the Medicare measure that was proposed last week as part of a package of alternatives to the public option.
    This was boldened by the OP. I don't see what you are getting at. They seem to be one and the same to me, just under different masks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Red View Post
    This was boldened by the OP. I don't see what you are getting at. They seem to be one and the same to me, just under different masks...
    I'm getting at the fact that your post made it sound like they were trying to put both the crappy and useless Public Option AND expanded Medicare in there when in fact they never were trying to. If that's a case of mistaken interpretation, sorry. And Lieberman's still an ass who's in the bloody Insurance Companies' pockets. He's happy as long as they're making money and looking on as over half the bankruptcies in America are by people WITH insurance. Screw him.
    Last edited by Gaidin; December 14, 2009 at 02:03 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    I'm getting at the fact that your post made it sound like they were trying to put both the crappy and useless Public Option AND expanded Medicare in there when in fact they never were trying to. If that's a case of mistaken interpretation, sorry.
    Yeah, I didn't mean to be confusing. That's why I started with heathcare reform, then said fine. Next I had mentioned the public option and said good luck. I made the jump to assume that this expance of medicare was just another version or type of public option with more government control of heathcare while hiding that fact under the name "medicare". Sorry for the vagueness...

    I am all for some type of reform. Just not the type of reform that the Democrats would ever agree too. Getting Tourt reform is a great start but alas most if not all trial lawyers in Congress are Democrats. I can't see them ruling against thier own wallets. Perhaps that is why I never hear it mentioned as anything serious.
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    Once more, Lieberman shows himself to be a man of true principles, despite being a former Demoncat.
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    Joe Lieberman is the guy the ruined his own election campaign in 2000. What do you expect? Plus his own consitituents hate his guts.

    Monarchist, Joe Lieberman opposes things out of lobbyist support, not principle. Lieberdouche can't even spell principle.

    I can't remember the last time the guy voted 'aye' on anything major, cept for the bailouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    Joe Lieberman is the guy the ruined his own election campaign in 2000. What do you expect? Plus his own consitituents hate his guts.

    Monarchist, Joe Lieberman opposes things out of lobbyist support, not principle. Lieberdouche can't even spell principle.

    I can't remember the last time the guy voted 'aye' on anything major, cept for the bailouts.
    Actually Im from CT and rather conservative. I'd rather vote for Liberman that waste a vote on the Republican...

    He'll stay in office for sure with us Republicans

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    Quote Originally Posted by WrathofTulkas View Post
    Actually Im from CT and rather conservative. I'd rather vote for Liberman that waste a vote on the Republican...

    He'll stay in office for sure with us Republicans
    I don't know why, he won't vote for your initiatives either!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    I don't know why, he won't vote for your initiatives either!
    Good, we need more do nothings in government. The ones doing 'things' tend to it all up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    Good, we need more do nothings in government. The ones doing 'things' tend to it all up.
    Doing nothing at this point would inflame the situation of overbearing government. We need people that will actually reform it and actually do things other than talk all about small government.
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    Good old Joe, I liked him prior to whoring himself for Gore, and I like him even better now.
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    My shameful truth.

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    Who here remembers Ned Lamont?

    [Rev Jeremiah Wright voice]The Democrat party's chickens are coming home to roost!/[voice]

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