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    Obtaining the precise neutron flux density is essential in getting the correct critical mass triggering effect in order to start the fission reaction process that nuclear weapons are known for.

    It has no civilian applications that would be considered legal under the auspices of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

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    Secret document exposes Iran’s nuclear trigger
    Catherine Philp in Washington

    Confidential intelligence documents obtained by The Times show that Iran is working on testing a key final component of a nuclear bomb.

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    The notes, from Iran’s most sensitive military nuclear project, describe a four-year plan to test a neutron initiator, the component of a nuclear bomb that triggers an explosion. Foreign intelligence agencies date them to early 2007, four years after Iran was thought to have suspended its weapons programme.

    An Asian intelligence source last week confirmed to The Times that his country also believed that weapons work was being carried out as recently as 2007 — specifically, work on a neutron initiator.

    The technical document describes the use of a neutron source, uranium deuteride, which independent experts confirm has no possible civilian or military use other than in a nuclear weapon. Uranium deuteride is the material used in Pakistan’s bomb, from where Iran obtained its blueprint.

    “Although Iran might claim that this work is for civil purposes, there is no civil application,” said David Albright, a physicist and president of the Institute for Science and International Security in Washington, which has analysed hundreds of pages of documents related to the Iranian programme. “This is a very strong indicator of weapons work.”

    The documents have been seen by intelligence agencies from several Western countries, including Britain. A senior source at the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) confirmed that they had been passed to the UN’s nuclear watchdog.

    A Foreign and Commonwealth Office spokeswoman said yesterday: “We do not comment on intelligence, but our concerns about Iran’s nuclear programme are clear. Obviously this document, if authentic, raises serious questions about Iran’s intentions.”

    Responding to The Times’ findings, an Israeli government spokesperson said: “Israel is increasingly concerned about the state of the Iranian nuclear programme and the real intentions that may lie behind it.”

    The revelation coincides with growing international concern about Iran’s nuclear programme. Tehran insists that it wants to build a civilian nuclear industry to generate power, but critics suspect that the regime is intent on diverting the technology to build an atomic bomb.

    In September, Iran was forced to admit that it was constructing a secret uranium enrichment facility near the city of Qom. President Ahmadinejad then claimed that he wanted to build ten such sites. Over the weekend Manouchehr Mottaki, the Iranian Foreign Minister, said that Iran needed up to 15 nuclear power plants to meet its energy needs, despite the country’s huge oil and gas reserves.

    Publication of the nuclear documents will increase pressure for tougher UN sanctions against Iran, which are due to be discussed this week. But the latest leaks in a long series of allegations against Iran will also be seized on by hawks in Israel and the US, who support a pre-emptive strike against Iranian nuclear facilities before the country can build its first warhead.

    Mark Fitzpatrick, senior fellow for non-proliferation at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London, said: “The most shattering conclusion is that, if this was an effort that began in 2007, it could be a casus belli. If Iran is working on weapons, it means there is no diplomatic solution.”

    The Times had the documents, which were originally written in Farsi, translated into English and had the translation separately verified by two Farsi speakers. While much of the language is technical, it is clear that the Iranians are intent on concealing their nuclear military work behind legitimate civilian research.

    The fallout could be explosive, especially in Washington, where it is likely to invite questions about President Obama’s groundbreaking outreach to Iran. The papers provide the first evidence which suggests that Iran has pursued weapons studies after 2003 and may actively be doing so today — if the four-year plan continued as envisaged.

    A 2007 US National Intelligence Estimate concluded that weapons work was suspended in 2003 and officials said with “moderate confidence” that it had not resumed by mid-2007. Britain, Germany and France, however, believe that weapons work had already resumed by then.

    Western intelligence sources say that by 2003 Iran had already assembled the technical know-how it needed to build a bomb, but had yet to complete the necessary testing to be sure such a device would work. Iran also lacked sufficient fissile material to fuel a bomb and still does — although it is technically capable of producing weapons-grade uranium should its leaders take the political decision to do so.

    The documents detail a plan for tests to determine whether the device works — without detonating an explosion leaving traces of uranium detectable by the outside world. If such traces were found, they would be taken as irreversible evidence of Iran’s intention to become a nuclear-armed power.

    Experts say that, if the 2007 date is correct, the documents are the strongest indicator yet of a continuing nuclear weapons programme in Iran. Iran has long denied a military dimension to its nuclear programme, claiming its nuclear activities are solely focused on the production of energy for civilian use.

    Mr Fitzpatrick said: “Is this the smoking gun? That’s the question people should be asking. It looks like the smoking gun. This is smoking uranium.”
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    Default Re: Smoking Gun: Secret files expose Iranian work on neutron flux triggers

    so
    is that a Go for Operation Irani Freedom 2.0?

    cuz if it's going to be war for israel's sake then i reckon israel's soldiers should have to die first; let the IDF be the first to clear the beaches of mines-and institute the draft in israel to make sure the job gets done.
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    Default Re: Smoking Gun: Secret files expose Iranian work on neutron flux triggers

    Then send the Amerikaans to Police all of it. Hoo ah!

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    Ah cool so we are to get no serious replies to this, guess its ok to lie about WMDs if one's skin color brown eh? Its only when white that it is CRIME. Ok that nonsense out of the way as far as a reply to peanut gallery.

    I'll be interested to see what IAEA says bout this, might not like them but unlike everyone else they arent quick to pass judgment and their trackrecord has been accurate in going slow to examine the actual evidence so we'll see. At the very least it raises instant eyebrows and continues the pattern that Iran is playing a game of deception and lies here with its program. Question is did they actually build them, do they have them or are they continuing to work on it in secret.

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    Default Re: Smoking Gun: Secret files expose Iranian work on neutron flux triggers

    Quote Originally Posted by danzig View Post
    Ah cool so we are to get no serious replies to this, guess its ok to lie about WMDs if one's skin color brown eh? Its only when white that it is CRIME. Ok that nonsense out of the way as far as a reply to peanut gallery.
    what the hell are you on about?
    wtf is with your obsession with race??

    @topic
    jin's right about needing to go thru the UN on this one
    the USG needs to rebuild its credibility

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    Default Re: Smoking Gun: Secret files expose Iranian work on neutron flux triggers

    Quote Originally Posted by Caelius View Post
    Obtaining the precise neutron flux density is essential in getting the correct critical mass triggering effect in order to start the fission reaction process that nuclear weapons are known for.
    Nuclear Power Plants have been rumoured to use Fission as well, unconfirmed Government reports hint at this.

    Sarcasm aside, the difference between building a nuclear bomb and a nuclear power station aren't really that different. If you can do one, it shouldn't take you that long to work out how to do the other. Iran may well be only wanting to make civilian nuclear stations, but once they've got that sorted a nuclear bomb would be within their reach anyway.

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    Of course, 2007 is not 2009. It is worrying, but it is more pressing to determine if such work is still on-going. Probable, but not guaranteed.
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    So what if this is the smoking gun and we learn that without a doubt Iran is developing technology specifically for a nuclear weapon? What is the response? Invasion seems pretty unlikely and unrealistic.

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    Default Re: Smoking Gun: Secret files expose Iranian work on neutron flux triggers

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jin View Post
    So what if this is the smoking gun and we learn that without a doubt Iran is developing technology specifically for a nuclear weapon? What is the response? Invasion seems pretty unlikely and unrealistic.
    White vans with AK-wielding men seem to have done the trick pretty well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jin View Post
    So what if this is the smoking gun and we learn that without a doubt Iran is developing technology specifically for a nuclear weapon? What is the response? Invasion seems pretty unlikely and unrealistic.

    air strike maybe? But that could horribly backfire, consider, the iranians don't have a working nuke as far as we know, and it's seems likely that they do not, but they could make a 'dirty bomb' easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jin View Post
    So what if this is the smoking gun and we learn that without a doubt Iran is developing technology specifically for a nuclear weapon? What is the response? Invasion seems pretty unlikely and unrealistic.
    Caelius outlined his view of the military approach over in the Academy. Invasion unnecessary is the verdict.
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    Default Re: Smoking Gun: Secret files expose Iranian work on neutron flux triggers

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jin View Post
    So what if this is the smoking gun and we learn that without a doubt Iran is developing technology specifically for a nuclear weapon? What is the response? Invasion seems pretty unlikely and unrealistic.
    Thanks for ruining the fun, btw, Justy.

    I've always been an advocate of precision airstrikes against nuclear facilities should Iran decide to openly weaponize its uranium, or whatever the process which is required to make nukes is. In this particular case, regime change shouldn't be a priority, and so an invasion should be unnecessary. Perhaps UN inspectors can go in after airstrikes however and inspect nuclear facilities.

    Of course, attacking Iran in any way could serve to unite the Iranian populace against the US, even if they're not fans of Ahmedinejad.

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    Default Re: Smoking Gun: Secret files expose Iranian work on neutron flux triggers

    We all know that the best defence against nutjobs from the Middle Eastern in possession of nuclear weapons is Ah-nold in a Marine Corp AV-8B. When does the Govenator's term end? We might have a follow up job for him...
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    Funny as they are, Back to the Future jokes are off topic.

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    Thanks for ruining the fun, btw, Justy.
    Any time

    Perhaps UN inspectors can go in after airstrikes however and inspect nuclear facilities.
    Uh, shouldn't UN inspectors go in before we bomb the crap out of nuclear facilities and make everyone in Iran hostile to us?

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    Default Re: Smoking Gun: Secret files expose Iranian work on neutron flux triggers

    Quote Originally Posted by Justinian View Post
    Any time



    Uh, shouldn't UN inspectors go in before we bomb the crap out of nuclear facilities and make everyone in Iran hostile to us?
    Nope. If Iran is openly flaunting that a nuclear arsenal, then the UN isn't necessary in deciding the appropriate course of action. The UN should be put in place to make sure Iran doesn't make nukes again, though.

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    Whats wrong with Iran having nuclear weapons? After all, its just going to stabilize the Middle East and help containing Israel.

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    Default Re: Smoking Gun: Secret files expose Iranian work on neutron flux triggers

    Quote Originally Posted by Volh Vseslavich View Post
    Whats wrong with Iran having nuclear weapons? After all, its just going to stabilize the Middle East and help containing Israel.
    'Containing' Israel?

    Why would there be any need to contain Israel, exactly? And how is our Iranian Big Brother going to fire that supposed nuke before the Israelis bomb it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheUnknownEntity View Post
    'Containing' Israel?

    Why would there be any need to contain Israel, exactly?
    Ask Palestinians.
    And how is our Iranian Big Brother going to fire that supposed nuke before the Israelis bomb it?
    Nobody is going to "fire the first nuke". In fact, nuke in Iran will be a strong guarantee from any future hostilities for both Israel and Iran.

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    Default Re: Smoking Gun: Secret files expose Iranian work on neutron flux triggers

    Quote Originally Posted by TheUnknownEntity View Post
    'Containing' Israel?

    Why would there be any need to contain Israel, exactly? And how is our Iranian Big Brother going to fire that supposed nuke before the Israelis bomb it?
    Israel is already in possession of numerous lands illegally.

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