sindar elves need better roster

[FOR GONDOR]

hey im new to forum and ive noticed that the SE need a few new units like maybe some axe elves would e nice because its quiet hard to siege mordor castles and isengard towns when i dont have any axe men for the walls or regular swordsmen that would really help them out and couldn't we give the HE the ranged calvary because they dont really have as good archers but the SE really need them when i get outside of the woods and in the plain around beorns halls also because of wargs (they are killing me) and it would look good to see elves in there golden armour crashing into the lines of goblins and mordor orcs and yes i am new to forum

[seregras]

Im sure the silvan elves will get additional units in time. But until then I know that i am quite content to wait and use the units at my disposal. It really is a great faction and a powerhouse if used correctly. I am so glad that Shredder decided to make the silvan horse archers. W/o them this faction would have spent alot of time getting surrounded and pounded by the more numerous orc hosts, and would have a hard time catching those quickfooted goblins in a route. I do see the need for some axemen.. though perhaps macemen would be more elvish? the dwarves are very fond of their axes and hammers. Really it just needs something with and armour peircing bonus that would aid the faction in the late game against trolls. lol also though, i recall that the sindar elves had magic cloaks that would provide great camoflauge in a pinch. It would be great to see that reflected on the battlefield with a new unit that could hide anywhere. Until then, though, we'll have to make do with the already great faction at our disposal. What has been your strategy for using the faction as of late?

EDIT: Welcome to the forums! sorry i meant to say that earlier!

[Protestant Knight]

Welcome to the forum FOR GONDOR and there are Elvish Axemen in the Silmarillon and I hope they will be put in the game one day and I agree with you that the High Elves need horse archers as well

[FOR GONDOR]

and the sindar elves need melee calvary and i dont disagree i wayyyy perfer the silvian elves over the high elves im just saying that they need some new units say like swords unit with a shield that would make sieging much more easy especailly when u face mordor or rhun because the loke-flag rim will muder ur light infinty and heavy swordsmen fast but i went on the 1.0 with the silvian elves i conquered almost all of map i even took all of modor with 2 armies (i have a very good defences stratagy) (use a half octogon of shield wall and put heavy infintry behind and archers in a line behind ranks) and the mounted arnt that acurate i never really use them ecept for the open fields of rohan thats it and thank u its good to feel welcome

[seregras]

@ Pentecostal- OOoo are there elvish axemen in silmarillion? I didnt know that, but thats really cool. What chapter is it in? also, are they noldorin (high elves) or are they sindarin elves. That would let us know whether the sindarin elves would be better suited to mace elves or axe elves.

[Seleukos_I.]

Yes there are. It mentions Sindar Elves carrying axes. But I don't remember whre it was exactly.

[Protestant Knight]

Yes there are. It mentions Sindar Elves carrying axes. But I don't remember whre it was exactly.

It is one of the first battles I think wen the Axeman are in the Silmarillon wen the Noldor get back to Middle-Earth and there are Sindar Axeman or AxeElves lol

[FOR GONDOR]

hmm i havnt read about that battle but there we go the lore Is acurate and it would really really be cool to see elves hacking up the orcs with curved hand axes (like we see the rhun faction loke-flag rim using) that would look really nice

[Withwnar]

@ Pentecostal- OOoo are there elvish axemen in silmarillion? I didnt know that, but thats really cool. What chapter is it in? also, are they noldorin (high elves) or are they sindarin elves. That would let us know whether the sindarin elves would be better suited to mace elves or axe elves.

I believe that Gondolin also had axe-wielding soldiers; entire units that used them as their primary weapon. I don't think it's in The Silmarillion though... one of the History books perhaps.

It does paint an odd picture - not really a gentleman's weapon - but there you go. I'm sure that they were very beautiful axes.

[FOR GONDOR]

sindarin the ones on the woods with the awsome armour and legolas and it would be really nice if they had some calvary i meen think about it that armour+shield+mounted = one hell of a bad day for the orcs and goblins it would really help them too hahaha goblins go lying now and some axmen with there huge shields and medium axes that would be great

[seregras]

Thanks Seleukos! Hmm.. lol now i wont be able to rest until i find it. But that would be pretty sweet. I'd love to see some axe wielding, armour piercing, pointy eared units hacking up the battlefield and countering those bloody mordor trolls. Lol until then im just content to turn them into pin cushions.

@ FOR GONDOR- I dont know about the whole heavy cavalry thing. Heavy cavalry regiments throughout history arent very effective in woodlands, as their ranks are easily broken and isolated. And if the silvan elves have anything, its lots of forest. So unless some additional lore is disregarded and the trigger for such a unit to appear in the roster is made (example: the silvan elves have expanded beyond their historical borders and into the plains lands without), then i dont think the silvan elves should have heavy mellee cavalry. I do see where it would be handy to have such a unit, but i'll refrain from guessing what the designers will and wont do in regard to the silvan roster.

[FOR GONDOR]

that is treu but for the games sake the calvary because the wining conditions are that you need 45 reigions wich meens extending outside forst or how about you can only recruit them outside the forest like how u need ithillian to creat ithilliam rangers at the few setllments there so it would be a nice add like REQUIRES SETTLEMENT OUTSIDE OF FOREST sotr of thing and the axe's would be a really good touch

[Jean=A=Luc]

What about Forest Wardens? They're available early and they use shields and swords. Also you don't have to send your units to the walls. Go through the gate and straight for the town square or set up a defensible position inside the settlement for when their infantry runs down from the walls.

[FOR GONDOR]

thats true but they arnt that good in sieges later in the game against trolls they also suck and they dont have any armour now they are good ambush units but thats almost all they are good for. i meen wich would u pick in a siege trolls on a wall or the forest wardens attacking. but in the forest they are good we just need soem more amroured units with stronger weapon like one handed axemne in heavy armour and silvian swordsmen woth partial golden mithril plate that would really help us alot and mauybe the calvary (melee) in case we have to figh isengard (wich we probably will)

[seregras]

ahh.. i found it. : ) page 94 in my book. King thingol had just built menegroth because melian counseled him to acquire a stronghold and weapons. Because they had never before had need of great store of weapons, the dwarves came down from nogrod and belegost and taught them a great deal of smith craft. "and his armouries were stored with great axes and with spears and swords, and tall helms, and long coats of mail" Thanks! Okay, so we atleast have the historical accuracy of sindarin elves weilding axes. It would reason that such traditions would be carried on into the third age among the sindar who rule now over the silvan elves. Thanks!

[Protestant Knight]

Wow seregras I cant belive you fond it that fast on the Axeman good job, its 94 in mine to btw

[athanaric]

ahh.. i found it. : ) page 94 in my book. King thingol had just built menegroth because melian counseled him to acquire a stronghold and weapons. Because they had never before had need of great store of weapons, the dwarves came down from nogrod and belegost and taught them a great deal of smith craft. "and his armouries were stored with great axes and with spears and swords, and tall helms, and long coats of mail"

There is also another relevant part in the Silmarillion, where Thingol's people, armed with axes and other stuff, intercept and destroy an orcish raiding party coming from the South. It should be somewhere in the middle of the book. I would look it up but I haven't got my copy here

[FOR GONDOR]

hooray i hope that this will be quickly added to 1.4 because it id lore acurate

[Jean=A=Luc]

Tbh I wouldn't send any unit except dwarven elites to fight trolls on walls, it's suicidal in 95% of the cases. Always fight trolls on open terrain, siege the settlement until they're forced to sally.

[FOR GONDOR]

thats tru but they are more dangerous im saying that if u were the silvian elves in open terrain and had forest wardens against some troll and didnt have anywere to ambush from u would die quickly thats why we need axmen and melle calvaary it would be a good mix for the silvian elves but they cant recruit calvarly in the froested areas just in plain areas like anorion, all of rohan, mordor ect