I can't help it, I like non-christians more

[Fight!]

There I said it, I don't like Christians. Well, I don't dislike them per se, but I like someone more if they are non-christian. It's strange seeing as I am Christian, or at least a barely related sub-sect of it, but I do.

They're just all so pushy and stubborn. They never admit that they could be wrong. Even in the face of overwhelming logic or proof they will insist on whatever interpretation of their verses they were taught. It's just plain blind faith. Granted, not all Christians are like this; but chances are they will be more stubborn/pushy if they are christian. (ie: stubborn person - christianity = not as stubborn person {typically})

Please don't be offended by this, just had to get it off my chest.

[boofhead]

Yeah, some are like that, they do their religion a disservice.

I'm the type of Christian who will never proselytize unless the circumstances are put before me - e.g. somebody asks me for advice or help in some way. I find these Christians who go around in an in-your-face manner to be very annoying, and they probably turn others off more than anything.

I admit though, if someone babbles some unprovable scientific codswallop that conflicts with my belief, then I give them the mental middle finger. I'm only here for a short time, and I've made a choice to live by faith, so basically such theories can suck my balls, because they're irrelevant to my own truth.

[Monarchist]

I admit though, if someone babbles some unprovable scientific codswallop that conflicts with my belief, then I give them the mental middle finger. I'm only here for a short time, and I've made a choice to live by faith, so basically such theories can suck my balls, because they're irrelevant to my own truth.

Good old boofhead, saying things as they should be said.

Sometimes, yes; but it's largely dependent on where they come from. In more traditionalist parts of the world, especially rural areas as far as the US goes, pluralism isn't quite as influential as it should be. I know many Christians that are tolerant, understanding, and not really stubborn at all. I know relatively few that are stubborn jerks.

It also might be a generational thing, partly. I know far more youth that are pluralist, open, and accepting than adults.

I love it when non-Christians try to determine why Christians are the way they are with hilarious little theories. You must infiltrate us deeply to know our secrets of indoctrination.

Oddly enough, I was never brought out to the hick hayseed countryside by old people to learn those pesky, stubborn, intolerant Christian values. There are many Christians I've met (MANY) who were brought up in strictly urban, built-up areas. They are from good and bad neighbourhoods, and yes - some of them are from the countryside; however, there are more 'stubborn' (believing) Christians from the cities that I've met than from the rural places. I myself was convinced of its reality and stubbornly try to defend it the best I can. I don't stand atheists and I am very stubborn, as you know, yet I am from a sizable city. I've never lived in the countryside for more than a day in my life.

It seems, from my point of view, that you're trying to make most Christians out to be evil G.W. Bush stereotypes (you just have to add "from the American south"). Some of the most stubborn Christians in history were big city-dwellers. Thomas Aquinas loved Paris, which was a good size by 1250; C.S. Lewis dwelt in the bigger parts of Oxford for almost his entire career.

It is most certainly not a generational thing! You are correct that young people are generally pluralistic; this is one reason I have astronomical contempt for the modern age. Gastronomical, too! Besides, older people tend to be wiser, with all of their accrued experience and years. Why not trust that they are more likely to be right than the hip, pluralist retards with their i-Pods?

am really sick of Peolpe going on about pushy Christians. every gang will alwas have black sheep.
like there's really in your face atheist also that go on youtube ing about Christians.
also I don't see an atheist having a go off Islam.

(but am just getting this off my back also- so what am saying is every gang has buggy peolpe)

My hero has come to Earth! I can't say I agree with you that stubborn Christians are 'black sheep', though. To me, the black sheep and swans are those who aren't stubborn! We're supposed to go forth into the world and ask that people join with Christ.

What do you expect from a mideastern cult?

More than I expect from atheists.

I recommend the following calculus:
If I have not read anything of one of the authors above and
if I do live in a modern enviroment with access to books,
then I should do it,
because otherwise I need to call myself a dickhead.

Thank you.

Smarmy... yes! Sardonic... why, yes! Pointless vitriol... indeed! I sense a cynic! I bet you aren't stubborn in your most centrally held beliefs, are you?

Nicoisbest, I really don't understand why you call yourself a Christian. You can't generally like "non-Christians more" while believing in the good work that Jesus does upon Christian souls. It just seems odd... are you not stubborn in what you believe? Do you not hold your core tenets close to your heart, and take umbrage when someone goes against them? What you call 'stubborn' I call 'spreading and defending the faith'. DO YOU GO TO COLLEGE?

[godol shmok]

I bet you aren't stubborn in your most centrally held beliefs, are you?

Point is, you do not know what my beliefs are.

[KingOfTheIsles]

I admit though, if someone babbles some unprovable scientific codswallop that conflicts with my belief, then I give them the mental middle finger.

Unprovable is a synonym of unverifiable. Science, by definition, must be verifiable. Therefore, there is by definition no such thing as "unprovable scientific codswallop". But then again, I guess "rationality" and "logic" are two more examples of scientific codswallop that you've decided to stick your fingers in your ears and ignore, in case it conflicts with your belief. Incidentally, is "unprovable scientific codswallop" that confirms your belief perfectly fine?

Good old boofhead, saying things as they should be said.

No. Really, no.

I love it when non-Christians try to determine why Christians are the way they are with hilarious little theories. You must infiltrate us deeply to know our secrets of indoctrination

It's anecdotal observation. Seeing as he's phrased the OP in such a way that he talks about his personal likes and dislikes, that's a perfectly appropriate manner of argumentation. Me personally, I have no problem with the majority of Christians, but obviously others have had different experiences.

[Strelok]

I admit though, if someone babbles some unprovable scientific codswallop

I'd like the name of one scientists who babbles on about something without evidence. And I'd like to know their name if they claim it is true without presenting evidence. If they call it a theory, then they already state that it is not fully provable and are just explaining the theory and the evidence they have so far.

Science is a process in where we examine and create things within our universe. Science is not a system of a belief, or something that you preach about.

because they're irrelevant to my own truth.

A scientist won't blatantly call their theory "a truth" until they have irrefutable evidence. That is why things that are not fully proven are stated as theories until it is otherwise.

[MaximiIian]

I don't think that's necessarily true. Sometimes, yes; but it's largely dependent on where they come from. In more traditionalist parts of the world, especially rural areas as far as the US goes, pluralism isn't quite as influential as it should be. I know many Christians that are tolerant, understanding, and not really stubborn at all. I know relatively few that are stubborn jerks.

It also might be a generational thing, partly. I know far more youth that are pluralist, open, and accepting than adults.

[blackwatersix]

Yeah, it's irritating that a lot of intolerant people I meet call themselves Christian. Sometimes they just can't let others live the way they see fit.. most real-life arguments I have are with Christians who try to convert me and don't know that they're being irritating. Which is the main reason I hang around agnostics and atheists around campus, because we have a live-and-let-live atmosphere where we can have conversations that don't attack each others' beliefs.

[Gromovnik]

What do you expect from a mideastern cult?

[godol shmok]

Roman Catholics should read Rahner, Protestants Barth, Jews the Talmud and the Forward and Muslims Salman Rushdi and Rumi.

If that's not the case, Visna's dickhead theory should be considered.

I recommend the following calculus:
If I have not read anything of one of the authors above and
if I do live in a modern enviroment with access to books,
then I should do it,
because otherwise I need to call myself a dickhead.

Thank you.

[blackwatersix]

Roman Catholics should read Rahner,

which rahner? or both?

[godol shmok]

I have had Karl Rahner in mind.

To read more than one author is probably not a mistake.

[blackwatersix]

I have had Karl Rahner in mind.

Oh, well both of them influenced the Vatican II, so if you know Vatican II that's them in a nutshell. Especially the Catholic view on how non-Catholics and non-Christians are saved, Karl Rahner's work about Anonymous Christianity are must-reads for any pushy, exclusivist Catholic.

[PhilipO'Hayda]

am really sick of Peolpe going on about pushy Christians. every gang will alwas have black sheep.
like there's really in your face atheist also that go on youtube ing about Christians.
also I don't see an atheist having a go off Islam.

(but am just getting this off my back also- so what am saying is every gang has buggy peolpe)

[Fiyenyaa]

am really sick of Peolpe going on about pushy Christians. every gang will alwas have black sheep.
like there's really in your face atheist also that go on youtube ing about Christians.
also I don't see an atheist having a go off Islam.

(but am just getting this off my back also- so what am saying is every gang has buggy peolpe)

Ok, obviously you're selectively watching youtube, because there are just as many religious people going off on how evil and immoral atheists are. Not only that, as monarchist so aptly pointed out; you are supposed to be pushy as Christians. It's in your scripture. Now, what do you expect the response to that would be from people who don't agree?

Secondly, what the hell do you mean, people don't talk about Islam? It may not be the main topic of conversation since most atheists live in the western world, where the primary religion is generally some flavour of Christianity. But people still talk about it. I'll talk about it, now: many of Islam's central tenets are disgraceful, and the many passages in the Qu'ran that equate to "kill the unbeliever" make it a potentially dangerous religion that desperately needs to be liberalised, as christianity was over the past 500 years and continues to. Having said that, I feel that scripturaly, they are both pretty much the same; the Qu'ran is just a little bit more Old Testament/Torah.

[Claudius Gothicus]

Well, the world is full of Christians so you better get used to them hahaha. Now really, have you talked to any catholics(the non crazy ones) most catholics can be easier going that protestants. however you will always find exceptions to the rule.. there are some really annoying ones as there are some really cool headed Protestants.

[TurCoMan93]

I need to tell the truth; I like non-Muslims more while I am one.

[Treize]

Pushy and stubborn theists are very very annoying, Agreed.

[Lysimachus]

And now for the sake of annoying you Monarchist, let me just admit to all of you that I am an incredibly stubborn and devout realist

Argue with me if you will, I just feel that there must be a scientific explanation for everything considering we can sceitnifically dismantle any living thing and explain how it works minus those things that are impossible to reach.

[Monarchist]

And now for the sake of annoying you Monarchist

You hate me, don't you?

Argue with me if you will, I just feel that there must be a scientific explanation for everything considering we can sceitnifically dismantle any living thing and explain how it works minus those things that are impossible to reach.

You've just answered yourself. I gladly argue with you who reveres 'science' like some sort of religious exercise. Science is just human research; it's scientific of me to learn the theories of music, too, but I'm no 'scientist'. I think they are far too respected these days, considering the fact that many scientists can easily be turned political with government grants. Atheists tend to regard 'scientists' as Christians regard the Pope, if you will excuse the comparison.

I say you've answered yourself because you said 'minus those things that are impossible to reach'. God is not reachable, in the 'real' sense, anywhere in this lifetime.