Will there be advanced placements such as trenches?

well ive been thinking and this has bothered me. will there be more advances mplacements such as trenches and deployable stone walls, or at least fix the sandbags in empire so your soldires take cover. anyway will we also se more poison gases like quicklime. Id just love to wage gas warfare on my enemies.

I'd like to use gas for warfare, however knowing the BAI, it would probably end up causing more casualties on both sides of the engagement, than it should.

haha thats a pretty sadistic thought to wage all out gas warfare. that would be really cool tho if they would fix and add all those things.

Itll probably be added as dlc. If what people say are true.

Originally Posted by cameron

well ive been thinking and this has bothered me. will there be more advances mplacements such as trenches and deployable stone walls, or at least fix the sandbags in empire so your soldires take cover. anyway will we also se more poison gases like quicklime. Id just love to wage gas warfare on my enemies.

I'd say that those would be more fitting in a late 19th and 20h century game.

so Empire ends at 1800 whos to say in the last campain people didnt use them back then.

I'd say that those would be more fitting in a late 19th and 20h century game.

I have to agree with sandbags but not with trenches.
Those were already quite common during the 30 years war, and there not only during sieges but also during field battles like Lützen.

I personally would love to see real trenches, not only those wooden planks with fabric cover, also the artillery entrechments could "move" few centimeters down into the earth... with the new deformable terrain i think it should be possible...if those holes are real 3D-holes and not only a "fake" with a normal map applied.

Trench warfare more or less started with the US Civil War (i believe); i don't know of any examples prior to that one. And it had to do mostly with the increased (accurate) range of rifles and better gunnery skills with artillery.

Gas warfare didn't really get anywhere before WW1 because of poor chemistry before that.

But the TW games are not terribly concerned with accuracy and/or completeness. I mean, tunnelling under a castle wall as a means of siege-breaking should have been part of the medieval TW's. And siege-breaking in ETW seemed to practice ninja-ropes despite centuries of practice with ladders. So....

tunneling,trench digging, gas throwing ninjas?

Originally Posted by foszae

Trench warfare more or less started with the US Civil War (i believe); i don't know of any examples prior to that one. And it had to do mostly with the increased (accurate) range of rifles and better gunnery skills with artillery.

Some would say trench warfare started with this man Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba in 1503.

sucidal barbed wire layering pirates?

A whole new world of pirates vs ninjas?

Originally Posted by cameron

A whole new world of pirates vs ninjas?

In fact, CA should just abandon all plans for Napoleon and implement this! Genius!

Post Marian reform legionaires used trenches on the battlefield regularly, not just for their camps or during sieges. "Trench warfare" started with Marius' reforms (107 BCE).

Originally Posted by Primergy

I have to agree with sandbags but not with trenches.
Those were already quite common during the 30 years war, and there not only during sieges but also during field battles like Lützen.

I personally would love to see real trenches, not only those wooden planks with fabric cover, also the artillery entrechments could "move" few centimeters down into the earth... with the new deformable terrain i think it should be possible...if those holes are real 3D-holes and not only a "fake" with a normal map applied.

Originally Posted by rubenandthejets

Post Marian reform legionaires used trenches on the battlefield regularly, not just for their camps or during sieges. "Trench warfare" started with Marius' reforms (107 BCE).

Indeed when you think about it yeah. But in the 19th century rifles were becoming very accurate to such an extent that hiding in trenches was generally a better plan than standing in a neat line á la 18th century. So from that period trenches really became a must.

And yes I agree, real trenches would be nice instead of the 'cheap trick' of placing a sloping structure in on the battlefield and calling it a 'trench'...