[WIP] TATW Islands Sub Mod // 8 new Island for the Campaign Map

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TATW Islands Sub Mod
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i always thought that the waterspace on the campaign map is really huge
but sadly has too little role. i really liked the sea-power in the vanilla games.

This Sub Mod will bring 8 new Islands with settlements to the campaign map.
Furthermore it is planned to add some stuff related to the islands. (see features list)

Skeleton Of The West did something like this in his Expanded Map Sub-mod but only with two islands.

I think this would be a nice addition to the game, if there would be a
more important sea aspect (for all factions that have ships and ports)
because the unused space on the map offers this opportunity and would
enhance the gameplay experience.

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features i can imagine:

• a few islands near the coast and some far off coast
• different sizes (some could have two settlements on it)
• some resources with high export values on the islands
• maybe a special AOR or mercanaries on some islands near the coast
• traits and retinues for generals staying in a settlement far away from the coast
• maybe some guilds (like a seafarer guild, shipbuilder guild or something
  like the "Hanseatic League" in Kingdoms Teutonic)
  
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• new winning condition(s) "capture a specific island" for seafaring factions
• additional boats for some factions
• maybe some changed starting terretories to make ports available for faction that dont have one now
  (at least make it easier to "reach the coast")
• spawn rebell ships (rebel corsairs f.e.)

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Research and Ideas

Next to Tolfalas (the only isle with a settlement on it in TATW) Middle-earth has
some more islands - smaller and bigger ones. Some of them actually were populated
or at least visited sometimes.

>>> There are 8 Islands at the moment that will be added. <<<

Tol Fuin, Himling & Tol Morwen

Information

Island off the coast of northwestern Middle-earth. Tol Fuin was located just west
of the smaller island of Himling. Tol Morwen was southwest of Tol Fuin. The islands
were in the Sea west of the northernmost part of Lindon.

Tol Fuin was formed at the end of the First Age when Beleriand was ruined in the
War of Wrath and much of the land sank beneath the Sea. The island of Tol Fuin
was all that remained of the forested highlands of Taur-nu-Fuin, a place of fear
and dread where Sauron once dwelled.



> dwarven or elven outpost
> some extra valuable resources
> would bring a little more life at the north-western coast
> a specfic guild for seafaring/-trading/-exploring

Tol Ramdal

Information

Small island east of the Gulf of Lhûn & south of Forlindon

> possible the main harbour for the high elves for some invasions in southern directions
> AOR for a special kind of ship

Tol Uialgaer (Erelond)

Information

Quite large island east of the coast of Umbar (East Harad)

> Corsair Outpost
> Corsairs as mercenaries
> important military point for invading Harad westcoast
> mercenary corsairs for every faction
> could be a valuable trading port for far away factions like Gondor, Rohan, Mordor, Elves, Dwarves
> additional traits and retinues
> a specfic guild for exploring

Island of Rhûnaer

Information

An Island in the Sea of Rhûn



> important military stronghold for the battle between Dale and Rhûn
> another water-trading port in the Sea of Rhûn

Isle of Meneltarma

Information

Remnant of the island of Numenor. The Isle of Meneltarma was the peak of Meneltarma,
the mountain that had stood in the middle of Numenor. The mountaintop had been used
for the worship of Eru and was considered to be hallowed ground. It reportedly had been
possible to see the Undying Lands from the summit of Meneltarma.

Numenor sank beneath the Sea in 3319 of the Second Age, but some believed that the
summit of Meneltarma rose out of the water and became an island in the Sea west of
Middle-earth. It was hoped that from the Isle of Meneltarma a person might have a vision
of things as they had once been and perhaps even see a glimpse of the Undying Lands.
Mariners sought the Isle of Meneltarma but no one ever found it.

> a really valuable trading harbor for every faction
> AOR units (a ship and a military unit for all/some factions)
> mercenaries
> traits and retinues
> a specfic guild for sea-trading

Tol Eressëa (Lonely Island)

Information

The Lonely Isle in the Undying Lands. Tol Eressea was inhabited by Elves.
First the Teleri lived there, and then the island became home to the Noldor and Sindar who left
Middle-earth after the end of the First Age. Tol Eressea was also the place where Frodo Baggins,
Bilbo Baggins, and Sam Gamgee came to dwell when they were allowed to sail to the Undying Lands.

> (not sure if this isle should be on the campaign map ???)

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And there were a lot more isles before the destruction of Numenor and Beleriand which
does not exist in the Third Age any more.

Numenor

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Tol Uinen (near Numenor)

Ened

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Isle of Balar

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Spoiler for Map of the western coast: 

Spoiler for Links: 

• www.tuckborough.net/coastal.html
• www.lindefirion.net/maps/index.html

so what is anyone thinking?
someone who can help?
or does anyone have tips and lore related hints?
i would really appreciate it.

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[desean]

well i think the only islands that could be added were already added by skeleton of the West in his mod, but the number of settlements could be increased in tol fuin, instead of 1 settlement, each island could be 1 settlement, see info about those islands here http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Western_Isles

also the islands that kinda connect belfalas with south gondodr could also get a settlement there, would be like a second cair-andros, and would extremely help gondor in its defence against harad or otherwise

[Skeleton Of The West]

I added the islands in my map for the exact same reason- I feel sea warfare isnt being used enough in vanilla TATW.

I will gladly add more islands into the map, but unfortunately I didnt find any islands big enough to place in the map. If someone will find a suitable island to add I will add it right away .

[jản]

I added the islands in my map for the exact same reason- I feel sea warfare isnt being used enough in vanilla TATW.

I will gladly add more islands into the map, but unfortunately I didnt find any islands big enough to place in the map. If someone will find a suitable island to add I will add it right away .

yeah skeleton - i would use your expanded map mod but i would like some new guilds
and some sea advantages. and also some resources and maybe some
AOR or mercanary units.

i updated the first post with some new ideas.

but while i'm writing here, i think it maybe would be better to use your
expanded map mod and change it on my own (of course only with your
permission) because you already have nearly the whole basis of what i want.

[Skeleton Of The West]

I really like your ideas of making sea warfare and ships more significent. I went over the links posted about islands but most of them seems to be existed in the first age, and not the third age. There are some who does exist in the third age like the Carrock, but they are so small to be put in the map.

You can use my mod as a basis, but of course credit for my work.

[Haerski]

I just realised I haven't build or used a single ship during all my days playing TATW.

Anyway, I like the idea! I hope you find someone able to make this.

[jản]

I really like your ideas of making sea warfare and ships more significent. I went over the links posted about islands but most of them seems to be existed in the first age, and not the third age. There are some who does exist in the third age like the Carrock, but they are so small to be put in the map.

You can use my mod as a basis, but of course credit for my work.

yeah if i only i had the skills to do so. hm but i think it is time to leanr strat map modding and settlement / building editing. maybe you have some nice links to tutorials fo that kinda stuff. (i mean how to change/add the strat map and things like that)

[Vaz]

The isnland East of Tol Eressea? =D

[Krisz87]

I remember that DLV hade a larg map, it made everything bigger. But then the hole map need to be converted. Any body know what i mean?

[jản]

well nice to hear you will add some more islands - and i will take a look at the tutorials,
because i still want to add buildings, ships and guilds that make the sea aspects more fun,
interesting, profitable and worthy. and maybe some special AOR units.

[Skeleton Of The West]

To add buildings, ships, guilds and AOR units go to the coding section in the workshop instead of the mapping one.

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I added some more information on this long ago planned sub-mod.
I finally will work on this again in the next time.

Some ideas, suggestions or corrections (lore!) would be great.

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[ninja51]

This sounds seriously great! I always did feel sea warfare was drasticly underused and actually pretty pointless in vanilla. Seeing those ships as gondor was pretty cool, but I never saw a point to them. Getting my port blockaided wasnt worth the upkeep of the ships so I disbanded my only ship and never made another one. Having umbar fleets capturing island settlements becoming even more of a problem for Gondor, or Dwarven fleets sailing out taking some islands bringing even more gold into their coffers. I love the idea, and am seriously looking forward to this mod

[alreadyded]

You can add some sea creatures, though they would still just be ships. I was going to do this myself, but as you have stated, naval warfare has little role in this game. So I decided not to spend the time on it.

[Ellin Athinaios]

You can add some sea creatures, though they would still just be ships. I was going to do this myself, but as you have stated, naval warfare has little role in this game. So I decided not to spend the time on it.

That's interesting. Maybe something like the Watcher in the Water (the thing outside Moria) could be made.

[ninja51]

You can add some sea creatures, though they would still just be ships. I was going to do this myself, but as you have stated, naval warfare has little role in this game. So I decided not to spend the time on it.

Thats a very good idea actually. There is room for massive ammounts of units so adding a few new ships and new creatures, which could just be slightly stronger, or alot stronger "ships" but change the name, description, and portrait so that would be pretty sweet, wouldnt be too hard to do either

[alreadyded]

There is also the whole "storms at sea" aspect. Basically you could just make ships and call them storms. You can have strong storms (sink ships) and weak storms (damage ships). Just throwing that out there.

[ninja51]

Or you could just make the normal storms that apear in medieval more common, im not sure how you would do it but it might be possible. Im not sure if its that much of a big deal, but earthquakes and storms happened far to rarely for my tastes in the game. The first time ever I had an earthquake hit me was yesterday actually, in stainless steel, killed most of me and an ally's army while seiging a city, he lost his faction heir and I lost my general responsible for conquoring the norhtern settlements for Byzantiam. So ya, Im loving the idea of this mod, would really make things alot more interesting in the sea, I really hope this gets done quickly, I am pretty excited for it

[alreadyded]

hehe... I forgot that they even had storms and earthquakes

Guess that proves just how rare they are.

[jản]

hehe... I forgot that they even had storms and earthquakes
Guess that proves just how rare they are.

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i think they actually are disabled in TATW. but storms on the sea would be great.
but i don't know how to implement them.

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