Moraly OK to ban certain dog breeds?

[Groundtotem]

Hey!

I've been thinking lately about why certain people and groups want to ban certain dogs.

The dogs im talking about is:

*Pit bulls
*German Shepherd <3
*Doberman
*Akita
*Rottweiler

These dogs can all be dangerous in a the hands of an imbacill, but so can any other dog breed or gun.
Why do people seem to focus on just these dogs? Is the reason that many times the news tend to report more about when these dogs are involved in accidents?

Personaly i love the German Shepherd and i have a gsd/bodercolli mix and i have never ever had an accident with him and he is 13 years old.

I think that the people behind the dogs are responsible when accidents happen, for example i think that bad training is the cause when a dog bits.

So what do you guys think? Should these dogs be banned?

Edit: Is it moral to blame the dogs and not the owners?

[removeduser_487563287433]

It is right to ban certain breeds of dogs, but not necessarily the ones you have listed above. We've only recently had a three year old mauled to death in Britain by her grandmother's illegal breed. Thank God that woman's stupidity resulted in the death of her own kin, not somebody else's, in my opinion.

[Groundtotem]

It is right to ban certain breeds of dogs, but not necessarily the ones you have listed above. We've only recently had a three year old mauled to death in Britain by her grandmother's illegal breed. Thank God that woman's stupidity resulted in the death of her own kin, not somebody else's, in my opinion.

Why is it ok ban certain dog breeds? I mean after all alot of the times it's the owners fault. The grandma you mentioned, should obviously not have had a dog she couldn't controll. By the way what was the dog breed?

[removeduser_487563287433]

Why is it ok ban certain dog breeds? I mean after all alot of the times it's the owners fault. The grandma you mentioned, should obviously not have had a dog she couldn't controll. By the way what was the dog breed?

It's undeniable that some breeds of dogs are very aggressive - and you're not going to be able to have them under control 100% of the time. It's incredibly irresponsible to own one, and does result in injuries and deaths.

The dog in question was an illegal breed of pitbull, I don't know if it was specifically reported.

[Morkonan]

I don't know about that list or the reasons for banning. After all, not all breeds are destined to be malicious killers. Some are more aggressive than others and some don't do well with children. But, for example, the Doberman and especially the German shepherd are good family dogs. Of all the dogs listed, the German shepherd is probably the best family dog their is. In fact, it may be the best family dog overall.

However, I think we should ban the breeding of some dogs.

Bulldogs should be banned. Some specific breeds can't even mate they're so deformed! That's just going too far in manipulating an animal, IMO.

The Chinese Shar-Pei should be banned. The dang thing can't even see half the time because of all the skin.

Pekingese, Pugs, Pomeranians and similar dogs should be bred to pop their eyes back in their heads and so their noses aren't pushed in so far they can smell their own butt without turning around. Come to think of it, pull the nose out and the eyes might get sucked into place on their own....

My problem with dog breeds is not some generalized aggressive behavior but the fact that we have bred dogs to the point where they are susceptible to very serious health problems that simply defy evolution. It's wrong to intentionally over-breed an animal to the point where it is actually in danger of serious health-issues. That's where my moral line is drawn.

[Azog 150]

I don't know about that list or the reasons for banning. After all, not all breeds are destined to be malicious killers. Some are more aggressive than others and some don't do well with children. But, for example, the Doberman and especially the German shepherd are good family dogs. Of all the dogs listed, the German shepherd is probably the best family dog their is. In fact, it may be the best family dog overall.

However, I think we should ban the breeding of some dogs.

Bulldogs should be banned. Some specific breeds can't even mate they're so deformed! That's just going too far in manipulating an animal, IMO.

The Chinese Shar-Pei should be banned. The dang thing can't even see half the time because of all the skin.

Pekingese, Pugs, Pomeranians and similar dogs should be bred to pop their eyes back in their heads and so their noses aren't pushed in so far they can smell their own butt without turning around. Come to think of it, pull the nose out and the eyes might get sucked into place on their own....

My problem with dog breeds is not some generalized aggressive behavior but the fact that we have bred dogs to the point where they are susceptible to very serious health problems that simply defy evolution. It's wrong to intentionally over-breed an animal to the point where it is actually in danger of serious health-issues. That's where my moral line is drawn.

Completely agree with this post. There are dogs that have been bred to such an extent they can barley breath- its cruel keeping them alive.

[Zawisza]

I agree with you, Groundtotem. Is it the fault of a dog that it's a predator? And when it sees small, weak, easy prey, like a toddler, how can people think the dog won't find it a tempting target? Parents are so stupid that they leave children alone with dogs, and they're mauled to death. They leave kids near unfenced pools, and they drown. A woman leaves her gun in her purse, her child pulls it out and shoots his friend down while playing Westerns. A man swims, drunk, at night - when sharks come out to eat - in a canal (also a shark's playground) and what do you know, he gets ripped apart by a bull shark (there were shark warning signs).

But I do believe that each dog demands a suitable master. For instance, rottweilers and such should be owned by people who are able to control them, and use them for duties like guarding important property. Cattle dogs exist for a purpose. If inexperienced dog owners want a pet, they should stick with poodles, collies and so on.

I myself once had a German shepherd, and the only thing he liked to snap his jaws at was flies. In fact, every German shepherd I've met has been quite docile. I hate it when people think that the best way to deal with something is to simply ban it, when dog attacks are quite rare. Maybe we should ban pools next.

[justicar5]

some breeds where specifically created for hyper aggressive tendencies, to act as war hounds for instance, those by their very nature are extremly dangerous animals, and should be at least licensed.

[the_mango55]

A well trained pit bull is actually very good with children, because they have a high pain tolerance and can tolerate children pulling ears and stepping on toes when other breeds would snap at them.

[Gaidin]

I can see some of the more aggressive breeds having lawfully required training for both the pet and the owner, and maybe even licensing for the owner in such a fashion that any accidents with his animal fall to him. Outright banning? Not so much.

Mango provides a perfect example of why outright banning them is a step too far.

[Denny Crane!]

Horses kill twenty times more people.

Anyone want to ban them?

Arguments about certain breeds of dogs being more agressive is ridiculous and far fetched generally from people who haven't worked with them but argue from a notion that seems correct. It isn't.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Do people die from illegal dogs by falling off them?

[Denny Crane!]

Do people die from illegal dogs by falling off them?

Horses have a nasty kick in case you didn't know. If one decides to kick you there is a good chance that it will kill you.

Furthermore, are all the attacks from these illegal breeds? I can find one from a yorkshire terrier and a spaniel. Are they also dangerous, should we ban them?

Utter tosh. Populist nonsense from Daily Mail readers usually.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Horses have a nasty kick in case you didn't know. If one decides to kick you there is a good chance that it will kill you.

Furthermore, are all the attacks from these illegal breeds? I can find one from a yorkshire terrier and a spaniel. Are they also dangerous, should we ban them?

Utter tosh. Populist nonsense from Daily Mail readers usually.

Well, you have a conflict of interest because you're in the dog food business. Anyway, this seems to fly in the face of people harmed by illegal breeds.

[Denny Crane!]

Well, you have a conflict of interest because you're in the dog food business. Anyway, this seems to fly in the face of people harmed by illegal breeds.

Not these days though the family still are, I've progressed.

And besides which pit bulls are banned already and there are an absolute shed load of them as customers which should tell you something about the idiocy of dog bans and how enforcable they are.

Furthermore how many cases of this pressing issue occur each year? One every two years or so.

Quick rush to Parliment! My issue has nothing to do with personal interests as it does with people getting all daily mail about issues that are meaningless.

Oh and FYI, for the poster who mentioned about the toy poodle. There was an incident with a small dog, they might not be able to do you much damage but they can if your a baby that is incapable of moving much and certainly incapable of defending yourself as that tiny little thing mauls your face. Guess what it is always young children who die in these cases, how many adults have died because of dog attacks? In another case it was a jack russel attacking an 18 month old child.

Scared of Jack Russels? Going to ban them? They are dangerous to the only people who are seemingly at risk of dog attacks. As dangerous as any other dog, so why not?

[IronBrig4]

I agree about banning the toy variety, or at least reversing the breeding so they actually look normal again. It's disgusting how rat dogs are bred so they've got those bug eyes. Trendy pet breeders do this with cats too; my friend's aunt spent $6000 on a Himalayan that had a squashed face and eyes that stuck halfway out. He has a laundry list of medical problems and allergies as a result. Have you ever tried to give Benadryl to a fussy cat? It's no fun.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Not these days though the family still are, I've progressed.

And besides which pit bulls are banned already and there are an absolute shed load of them as customers which should tell you something about the idiocy of dog bans and how enforcable they are.

Furthermore how many cases of this pressing issue occur each year? One every two years or so.

Quick rush to Parliment! My issue has nothing to do with personal interests as it does with people getting all daily mail about issues that are meaningless.

Oh and FYI, for the poster who mentioned about the toy poodle. There was an incident with a small dog, they might not be able to do you much damage but they can if your a baby that is incapable of moving much and certainly incapable of defending yourself as that tiny little thing mauls your face. Guess what it is always young children who die in these cases, how many adults have died because of dog attacks? In another case it was a jack russel attacking an 18 month old child.

Scared of Jack Russels? Going to ban them? They are dangerous to the only people who are seemingly at risk of dog attacks. As dangerous as any other dog, so why not?

So what do you propose? Banning all dog breeds from people who can't control them? Doesn't seem much more enforcable.

[gambit]

I think some sort of trainer licensing should be necessary to own those more dangerous breeds, the biggest problem is idiot people who dont know how to train dogs are leaving them alone with kids, or letting them loose in unfenced yards.

[Kamos]

I think some sort of trainer licensing should be necessary to own those more dangerous breeds, the biggest problem is idiot people who dont know how to train dogs are leaving them alone with kids, or letting them loose in unfenced yards.

Agreed, such a course of action seems more reasonable then an outright ban as it allows responsible owners to have the dogs.

[Boer]

One problem with the dog bans is that they ban dogs based on kills, not attacks/bites. Many small dogs are much more aggressive then the dogs that are being banned, but few people die from Schnauzer attacks (or even bother to report them) while a significant percentage of attacks by larger dogs are fatal or require medical treatment.

Dog bans are a lot like assault weapon bans; Pitbulls, ect are like the assault weapons. They are not responsible for most attacks, but are look scary and any attack by them get over-reported.