Thirteen Colonies want to be killed

**The Gallant Forty-Twa** · December 09, 2009, 11:51 AM

Hi there.

This has bugged me for a while. What is up with the Thirteen Colonies? Do they just want to die? I mean, I know as Britain I should protect them, but seriously, just recruiting Rangers and Mounted Native Auxilliaries is pathetic. Its all they get (aswell as Pikemen)!

I gave them ALL of my technologies I had which included all the military ones up to the middle tier and yet they still didn't bother training any decent units! Its not a case of I want them to be amazingly powerful, I just want them to be able to defend themselves. It isn't convenient to divert my funds, troops and ships from my Indian campaign all the way to America just because they can't be bothered training decent units.

Are they programmed with an AI that just wants them to be defeated?

*sigh - rant over*

Regards,

The Gallant Forty-Twa

**penquin11** · December 09, 2009, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by The Gallant Forty-Twa

Hi there.

This has bugged me for a while. What is up with the Thirteen Colonies? Do they just want to die? I mean, I know as Britain I should protect them, but seriously, just recruiting Rangers and Mounted Native Auxilliaries is pathetic. Its all they get (aswell as Pikemen)!

I gave them ALL of my technologies I had which included all the military ones up to the middle tier and yet they still didn't bother training any decent units! Its not a case of I want them to be amazingly powerful, I just want them to be able to defend themselves. It isn't convenient to divert my funds, troops and ships from my Indian campaign all the way to America just because they can't be bothered training decent units.

Are they programmed with an AI that just wants them to be defeated?

*sigh - rant over*

Regards,

The Gallant Forty-Twa

rather they need to be earning a decent amount of money a turn, and minor nations behavioral AI tells them to build up more navy than Army, and to focus on peace and being someones

more than expanding (only way to survive) there are very few exceptions to this rule, only minor nations whose behavior is different from defualt even have a chance.....

**Jugurta** · December 09, 2009, 12:46 PM

i have the same issue with the crimean khanates on my ottoman campaign, the only stack they have is deep into russian teritory doing a pick nick and just chilling there not doing nothing, meanwhile i have to defend their ass with a half stack that i keep near their capital and right now i m surrounded by 3 full stack of russian and i dont know why they dont attack either, because if they do i m toast, and dont even ask me about all the boats they have i mean i m supposed to be a freaking world power and i have only two fleets and they have like 5 or 6 just hanging around doind nothing

, the AI was and will always be the probleme for this kind of games, i guess a good AI is too expensive to implement in a game

**HomelessDepot** · December 09, 2009, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Jugurta

i have the same issue with the crimean khanates on my ottoman campaign, the only stack they have is deep into russian teritory doing a pick nick and just chilling there not doing nothing, meanwhile i have to defend their ass with a half stack

I hate this too, I love keeping the Crimean under my thumb but as a separate entity, it makes me feel the 'Empire' in 'Ottoman Empire.' I just wish they would defend themselves! Russia always obliterates them.

-HD

**Ataraxie** · December 09, 2009, 01:35 PM

I've noticed lately, that just leaving them too it is often best - they'll loose a couple of provinces, but then numbers crammed into smaller spaces will make them very hard to crack, especially with maybe one or two of your own stacks as auxillaries. You can re-conquer the bits taken by the natives later on.

**♔DoomBunny666♔** · December 09, 2009, 01:39 PM

Ive had the same problem they declared war on my allies the Iroquios while I was at war with France...

**AUSSIE11** · December 09, 2009, 10:02 PM

iv run into 13c line infantry and foot arty as well

**hitokiri2486** · December 09, 2009, 11:14 PM

Cherokee used to rape the 13 Colonies before like patch 1.3 or something. Now it's the Iroquois; they always take out Philadelphia, lose it to a revolt, and the US is born in like 1709.

Of course, I crush the rebellion into the dirt into 1710 and all is well after that

**eXistenZ** · December 10, 2009, 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by hitokiri2486

Cherokee used to rape the 13 Colonies before like patch 1.3 or something. Now it's the Iroquois; they always take out Philadelphia, lose it to a revolt, and the US is born in like 1709.

Of course, I crush the rebellion into the dirt into 1710 and all is well after that

Yeah they always take New York, rebels and the united States, (only consisting of 1 state) is there.

I got a question. If prussia declares war on the 13Colonies, what do i have to do? Do i have to join the war with the 13C? or just break the alliance? But will that still make them join me if i complete the mission?

**Carpe Veritas** · December 10, 2009, 03:43 AM

As GB I just squish all the Indians before they get a chance, then mop up the objective territories for afters with the auxillaries they produce. Indians can be a pain late game, so play 'Whack-an-injun' early

**Astaroth** · December 10, 2009, 09:44 AM

Moved to Gameplay and Strategy Discussion.

**TiTiTimmy** · December 10, 2009, 03:22 PM

In my game they build Howitzer, Line Infantry and such, but I have also been a good Motherland

and protected them from France, Iroquois and Cherokee

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**British-Bulldog** · February 16, 2010, 09:18 AM

Slightly off topic, but I've noticed any time I'm playing as Britain or France, an Indian nation ALWAYS declares war on the Thirteen Colonies or Louisiana and it's really annoying because any time I'm not playing that faction, America is so quiet and the colonies remain completely unharmed; a truly annoying glitch :/

**british_general** · February 28, 2010, 03:44 AM

For me, I go to america and grab the thirteen colonies with that mission-thingy and beat up natives along the way. After that, I go to India with seasoned troops and they do pretty well

**One Two** · March 01, 2010, 12:53 AM

i agree they have a frustrating AI. But i've been wondering, as I play the campaign, I am always way behind england or spain (playing as other european nations with protectorates that are capturable in the americas) by about turn 10 (1705 or abouts). It seems that the AI playing as england or spain do not have to capture the regions listed in the mission you get in turn two of the english, french or spanish campaigns. It's rly f'ing annoying

**Sebidiah** · March 04, 2010, 12:06 PM

Yes it is, I was playing as the French, and Britian declare war at me, I thought "Lol they have one region, Rupert's land!", And I had the 3 original Frenchy places so I started mobilesing on that turn thinking it be a quick war(not playing on invading england proper, since I like to keep some historical integrity in my campaign games), *end turn* next turn from what was French province superiority in north America VS the British (13th colony's didn't join the war) all the 13th colony's province's turned British, I was speechless.

**british_general** · March 06, 2010, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Sebidiah

all the 13th colony's province's turned British, I was speechless.

They can join anytime they like like in emergencies like this

**empr guy** · March 06, 2010, 06:59 PM

i kind of hate how the colonies can join the mother country at any random time unless they're Your colonies...

in my recent GB campaign the 13 colonies were getting raped by the iroquois, and really didnt have any kind of army, but when they took boston it revolted and the US was born just as my troops landed. It was funny because they sallied out and got massacured, and then offered to be a protectorite lol. I destroyed them but then iroquois later took new york and the US was born again lol...