Creationists... Should we bother with them?

[Leeham991]

This is an issue I've been thinking about for a while.

I've seen many an intelligent, well educated scientist spend years and years proving theories to creationists just to be ignored, ridiculed and have scripture thrown in their faces by these hellish, dogma fueled enemies of free speech, harmony and understanding and; why?

It's quite obvious that these people are not worth the effort, coming up with such ridiculous ideas as "Water used to be above the air" and "The earth is flat" and never being able to prove even the most close to being vaguely possible of them.

I'm feeling, should men and women of sound mind bother with these people? Their ultimate goal seems to be the slow down of scientific progress anyway as it's quite obvious that they themselves don't believe the garbage that spurts from their own mouths, which they show effectively with their desperate attempts to censor criticism.

I believe that scientists should stop trying with these people and get back to important jobs.
I dare you to do better than StarTrek and get a warp engine before 2060. After all, this is the most potent weapon to be used against creationism as the more science advances the more they hate it.

Thought for the people.

[Groundtotem]

This is an issue I've been thinking about for a while.

I've seen many an intelligent, well educated scientist spend years and years proving theories to creationists just to be ignored, ridiculed and have scripture thrown in their faces by these hellish, dogma fueled enemies of free speech, harmony and understanding and; why?

It's quite obvious that these people are not worth the effort, coming up with such ridiculous ideas as "Water used to be above the air" and "The earth is flat" and never being able to prove even the most close to being vaguely possible of them.

I'm feeling, should men and women of sound mind bother with these people? Their ultimate goal seems to be the slow down of scientific progress anyway as it's quite obvious that they themselves don't believe the garbage that spurts from their own mouths, which they show effectively with their desperate attempts to censor criticism.

I believe that scientists should stop trying with these people and get back to important jobs.
I dare you to do better than StarTrek and get a warp engine before 2060. After all, this is the most potent weapon to be used against creationism as the more science advances the more they hate it.

Thought for the people.

I think it's best to just respect religious people and leave them alone, if they don't want to listen then why should we even bother? Leave them alone and let the be happy.

Edit: Science can't disprove god btw.

[Dracula]

Well, evolution. The idea that incidents happened milliardic times to make positive mutations and they were organised by nothing in a perfectly designed, functional and beautifull body...This is just...

Would be more credible if one said a computer just happened by incident, cause it is less organised and complex than a human body.

[Fiyenyaa]

Well, evolution. The idea that incidents happened milliardic times to make positive mutations and they were organised by nothing in a perfectly designed, functional and beautifull body...This is just...

Would be more credible if one said a computer just happened by incident, cause it is less organised and complex than a human body.

Evolution is not things being "organised by nothing" - that demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the process.

Firstly, Evolution is an observed fact; crops being selectively bred, bacteria changing to get past immune systems, herd animals being selectively bred; these are all examples of evolution in action.

The point of contention with the fundamentalist is the Theory of Natural Selection. Now, you claim that the chances against us appearing (first point: evolution does not aim for anything; we are not the pinnacle of existance. evolution doesn't want anything, it doesn't try to make us more complex or more intelligent; it just selects the most successful traits) are virtually nil (second point: do you realise firstly how big the universe is, and secondly just how long life is thought to have existed. We've had life on earth anywhere from 2 billion to 3.5 billion years. That is a of a long time.)

Lastly, to say try and disprove evolution via natural selection does not give any credence at all to creationism. It's not a one or the other scenario. Even if evolution via natural selection were conclusively disproved by scientific process tommorow it would give no more validity to creationism, because there are virtually numerous possibilities. What creationists do by trying to disprove evolution is basically the same as saying "4+4 doesn't equal 7, so it must equal 43!"
People could come up with new hypotheses tommorow. Know why they don't? Because natural selection has a hell of alot going for it, and hasn't been disproven yet.

[Holger Danske]

Edit: Science can't disprove god btw.

Nor can fiction prove him... So why not cut the crap and go by Occam's razor?

[Groundtotem]

Nor can fiction prove him... So why not cut the crap and go by Occam's razor?

I only said that "science can't disprove god" in order to be more diplomatic towards christians. And i know that fiction can't prove him.

Science cant disprove god, fiction cant prove god. That's the truth as i see it, altough my beliefs are set in stone, i do not believe in god.

[The Dude]

I think it's best to just respect religious people and leave them alone, if they don't want to listen then why should we even bother? Leave them alone and let the be happy.

Edit: Science can't disprove god btw.

Well, leaving them alone, ok, perhaps. Respecting them is a different matter.

How can you respect belief in utter bogus?

EDIT: Also that Onion article ferrets posted is utter win.

[Groundtotem]

Well, leaving them alone, ok, perhaps. Respecting them is a different matter.

How can you respect belief in utter bogus?

EDIT: Also that Onion article ferrets posted is utter win.

Well if you leave them alone isnt that a form of respect?

[The Dude]

Well if you leave them alone isnt that a form of respect?

Not so much. As history has proven: religion thrives in the face of hardship. So it would seem to me that offering it precisely hardship is hardly the best way of extinguishing it. If you leave religion alone until the point where nobody cares what some priest or imam says, does, or thinks, then -hopefully- religion will turn stale and bleed a silent death.

But you know, that's just one of many ways to deal with a global problem

[Leeham991]

Hehe nice try

I'd be hypocritical to bother disproving god to you

[Groundtotem]

Hehe nice try

I'd be hypocritical to bother disproving god to you

I am 100% Atheist. I just think what we should focus more on the actuall sience and less on trying to disprove god since thats not posible.

[Lord de Lyonesse]

I am 100% Atheist. I just think what we should focus more on the actuall sience and less on trying to disprove god since thats not posible.

Its odd but once science and religion agreed on the same thing, if you look at it, it does still. For example if you see the complexities of life all around you, insects, the anatomy of the body, the ozone layer it is hard to view it as simply chance. That is why I believe in a creator.

[Groundtotem]

Its odd but once science and religion agreed on the same thing, if you look at it, it does still. For example if you see the complexities of life all around you, insects, the anatomy of the body, the ozone layer it is hard to view it as simply chance. That is why I believe in a creator.

I view life and all the complexities as a random chance. I can't believe that the univers was created by a god, i simply can't. That's why im an Atheist, it makes more sence for me!

Edit: But i show have respect for other people's belief's, and hopefully they show the same respect back.

[Ludicus]

Mentioning creationism next to evolution in the same sentence is an insult to human intelligence

One´s religious views should not impact your measure of their intelligence.
Stupidity has anything to do with it. The father of the modern philosophy was Catholic. Every man's belief should always be treated with respect.

[Lord de Lyonesse]

I view life and all the complexities as a random chance. I can't believe that the univers was created by a god, i simply can't. That's why im an Atheist, it makes more sence for me!

Edit: But i show have respect for other people's belief's, and hopefully they show the same respect back.

I respect you dude, people have a choice what religion to follow. They should'nt be bullied or prosecuted for not following one faith or simply not following any. All in all is all we are.

I used to consider myself an agnostic, I believe I have found faith, albeit in a less publicly open way. I dont like telling people I am Christian as I don't want that to be assotiated with my identity, that's just what I believe and have deep down for some time.

[basics]

" I'd be hypocritical to bother disproving god to you "

Leeham991,

You would be a bigger hypocrite if you can't which I suspect is the reason you claim not to be an atheist. Perhaps if you knew the number of scientists who actually are God believing people it may dampen your enthusiasm to excite yourself. Oh and by the way there isn't an instance in the Bible that says the world was ever flat, rather the opposite and that in the Old Testament.

[Leeham991]

*laughs uncontrollably*

[Leeham991]

You are a clever human being.

[Groundtotem]

You are a clever human being.

Oh thank you!

But im serious im an Atheist.

[removeduser_487563287433]

This is an issue I've been thinking about for a while.

I've seen many an intelligent, well educated scientist spend years and years proving theories to creationists just to be ignored, ridiculed and have scripture thrown in their faces by these hellish, dogma fueled enemies of free speech, harmony and understanding and; why?

It's quite obvious that these people are not worth the effort, coming up with such ridiculous ideas as "Water used to be above the air" and "The earth is flat" and never being able to prove even the most close to being vaguely possible of them.

I'm feeling, should men and women of sound mind bother with these people? Their ultimate goal seems to be the slow down of scientific progress anyway as it's quite obvious that they themselves don't believe the garbage that spurts from their own mouths, which they show effectively with their desperate attempts to censor criticism.

I believe that scientists should stop trying with these people and get back to important jobs.
I dare you to do better than StarTrek and get a warp engine before 2060. After all, this is the most potent weapon to be used against creationism as the more science advances the more they hate it.

Thought for the people.

Well, no, they shouldn't be given the attention. They should be regarded as conspiracy theorists. However, I don't really think scientists are really using time and energy disproving creationism, that was done a century ago.