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  1. December 08, 2009, 03:14 PM #1
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    Fellow DLVers,
    I read that the Broken Crescent team has granted permission for their wonderful units, so that anyone can use them
    (see below)
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=315949
    Also, MADTAO has given his permission so we could add the Lithuania Mod units too.
    Also, my plan is to ask the creators of the Magyar Mod if we can use some of their units (as Hungary does not seem to have beautiful units).
    I open this thread in order to discuss with you (my fellow DLVers) which units should be included in DLV.
    What is your opinion on this matter?
    Note that any unit roster can not exceed the 500 units limit (hardcoded) and if we want to add new units then we must leave some of the existing ones out.
    For example
    Scutatoi_Pikemen is a unit that does not belong to the CBUR project and was "left" in as there was still room for it.
    It "belongs" only to the byzantium faction, so this unit could be dropped in favour of another, new one...
     So, anyone can make his/her suggestion and when there is a final decision on this I will try to mod it.
    THANX to all
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  2. December 08, 2009, 03:15 PM #2
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  3. December 08, 2009, 03:25 PM #3
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    Broken crescent units are really superbe!!
    Well Lithuania mod seems also to be very awesome, quality-wise; and magyar units seem also very cute.
    So why not ?
    As the question of 500 max units, how many units will those mods bring ? Or, how many units will you have to remove ?
    I don't feel that removing units from factions will make people happy.
    But maybe removing some very minor factions would give some space without altering play balance ?
    It depends completly of the numbers...
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    I do not intend to remove units. I just feel that we could clear some space from units that are not really needed... Also, if you feel that a certain unit looks better in one of the previously mentioned mods, then we can just replace the models/textures of the existing ones. That is what I am asking... Your opinion on having more beautiful units, either by introducing some new ones (very limited options), or by just using other models/textures to make the existing ones better.
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  5. December 08, 2009, 03:37 PM #5
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    I do not intend to remove units. I just feel that we could clear some space from units that are not really needed...
    Hmm i would say that in all factions all units are needed as they make up for diversity; it would be easier to just remove a faction such as Eire (sorry for irish reading this), but yes, it would also kill diversity.

    So yes just changing the look of some of the current units by the ones from those mods; yes, that's sound better
    I particularly enjoy the work made in broken crescent, really awesome, especially on the arab/ oriental units.
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    Scutatoi_Pikemen is a unit that does not belong to the CBUR project and was "left" in as there was still room for it.
    It "belongs" only to the byzantium faction, so this unit could be dropped in favour of another, new one...

    Any other suggestions?
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  7. December 08, 2009, 04:58 PM #7
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    Agis, Im saying this as a friend: Just throw the vanilla units out the window if you can That is my best tip We are allready skimming the top limit IIRC. Raaka is also modding a new Norse roster too

    Any way, I need to have a look at Magyar mod...

    I have played BC, so there are sure some awsome units, which can replace most, if not close to all excisting Turkish and Egyptian units
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  8. December 09, 2009, 12:43 AM #8
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    Default Re: Unit Roster debate

    you might could do away with national levys and town militia? just make spear militia recruitable earlier to counter balance no national levies and town militia,
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  9. December 09, 2009, 04:31 AM #9
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    MAGYAR and LITHOUANIA MOD units all in!!BROKEN CRESCENT all the muslim units!!Great news!!Go for it my friend AGIS!!
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  10. December 09, 2009, 05:14 AM #10
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    "MAGYAR and LITHOUANIA MOD units all in!!BROKEN CRESCENT all the muslim units!!Great news!!Go for it my friend AGIS!!"


    Agree with you!!!---Lithuania Mod Units + Magyar + Poland Units are very NICE!!!

    All muslim Broken Crescent Units too.... DLV have there for wonderfull Christian ( West ) Units.
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    Cicilian Armenia has been in a desperate need of units ever since it was included, as of now they basically have copy-paste Byz units, so I really hope that they will get some BC units. It would make them playable in my eyes.
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  12. December 09, 2009, 12:39 AM #12
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    wow, this really looks promising
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  13. December 13, 2009, 09:53 AM #13
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    I agree. dome, MADTAO and AlphaDelta are far superior in unit-making than the crappy guys that made the Hungarian Battle Assasins...



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  14. December 23, 2009, 09:37 PM #14
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    definitley replace the vanilla byzantine units, the broken crescent byzantine units are AMAZING, and considering that many of the current in DLV models of units for byz empire are vanilla, would be magnifico
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  15. December 24, 2009, 12:20 AM #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megas12345 View Post
    definitley replace the vanilla byzantine units, the broken crescent byzantine units are AMAZING, and considering that many of the current in DLV models of units for byz empire are vanilla, would be magnifico
    The D.L.V. Byzantine units are from C.B.U.R. (Complete Byzantium Unit Roster) so they are irreplaceable!!
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  16. December 24, 2009, 11:52 AM #16
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    ya my bad i just realized they are dif in my old version they were vnila didnt realize how good they are now ;p
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