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    Armenia to become EU associate member
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    Armenia is getting ready to become EU associated member. The talks on Armenia’s associate membership to EU will launch from 2010 and will hardly be protracted as European Union does not have particular problems with Armenia, European high ranking diplomat wishing to remain anonymous told NEWS.am.
    EC-Georgia negotiations will also start in 2010. According to him, Georgia has no problems in EC associate membership unlike Azerbaijan that will face certain difficulties, not being World State Organization (WTO) member. However, EU should reach this decision to allow all the three countries to become associate members of European Union simultaneously, the official outlined. The associate membership to EU de facto does not differ from the common membership. “These are two different statuses, however the associate members are granted all the rights and privileges as common ones,” he said.
    The diplomat noted that the peculiarities in different spheres, either legislative or political and economic sectors will be taken into account in the course of talks.
    According to him, democratization issues in South Caucasian countries will be in the limelight, as all the three countries face these problems.
    This is good. The EU is where the future lies. An associate membership will allow both countries to make progress in different spheres especially democracy.
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    what is a "EU associate member"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerbear View Post
    what is a "EU associate member"?
    Such countries are not full members but establish certain quasi-membership partnerships with EU. Kinda like Russia had/have(don't know, I think it was discontinued over the last disputes) a seat in NATO, without being a member of NATO. Here it probably goes a bit further but is mainly about economic treaties any EU member would have anyway or better conditions on certain treaties which are offered to those countries specifically without being in the EU.

    Kinda like a privileged partnership which had been proposed for Turkey instead of membership. So essentially you team up without either side having to take the bad with the good.

    It's probably also a fancy title to indicate the EU is considering it for membership but won't do it until certain factors (like political stability in the whole region) have changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerbear View Post
    what is a "EU associate member"?
    An EU member without having to call it that, it looks like. Its just a political move from what I can tell.

    From the article: "The associate membership to EU de facto does not differ from the common membership. “These are two different statuses, however the associate members are granted all the rights and privileges as common ones,” he said."


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    Quote Originally Posted by CtrlAltDe1337 View Post
    An EU member without having to call it that, it looks like. Its just a political move from what I can tell.
    An EU member that takes only the passive role...

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    Armenia and Georgia can now officially keep dreaming...

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    If Georgia becomes part of Europe and damn it deserves it, than the way is totally free for Armenia to join. But untill Turkey is not member of the EU, this won't happen so easily. Anyway, that everything would take some 25-50 years if it ever happens.
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    Hmm.. Honostly I have no problem with this associate membership, I just thing I should go beyond that.

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    what is a "EU associate member"?
    Dunno,perhaps we have to ask the editor of news.am about it
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    It doesn't seem wise to me. This area is trraditionall sphere of influence of Russia and Turkey. Last time european powers got involved in the Middle east /the crusades/ it ended badly for Eu. Eu simply lacks the strength to controll that area. And once involved, it will have to play the game whenever there is a problem there.

    dnno what they need from Armenia except if it is on the way of some pipeline and EU needs to keep Turkey in check ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracula View Post
    It doesn't seem wise to me. This area is trraditionall sphere of influence of Russia and Turkey. Last time european powers got involved in the Middle east /the crusades/ it ended badly for Eu. Eu simply lacks the strength to controll that area. And once involved, it will have to play the game whenever there is a problem there.

    dnno what they need from Armenia except if it is on the way of some pipeline and EU needs to keep Turkey in check ?
    The Crusades were the last time Europe got involved in the Middle East?

    You missed a good 500 years of history man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Redleg Officer View Post
    The Crusades were the last time Europe got involved in the Middle East?

    You missed a good 500 years of history man.
    yep he overlooked the carve up of the Middle East by Britain and France after WW1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babur View Post
    yep he overlooked the carve up of the Middle East by Britain and France after WW1
    The British Colonization of Egypt, British Colonization of the Gulf States, Lawrence of Arabia, the actions they took to control portions of the Ottoman Empire through the Millet system, saving the Ottoman Empire from Mohammed Ali, the training of the Ottoman Military...

    And thats only if you don't count North Africa as the Middle East.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracula View Post
    It doesn't seem wise to me. This area is trraditionall sphere of influence of Russia and Turkey. Last time european powers got involved in the Middle east /the crusades/ it ended badly for Eu. Eu simply lacks the strength to controll that area. And once involved, it will have to play the game whenever there is a problem there.

    dnno what they need from Armenia except if it is on the way of some pipeline and EU needs to keep Turkey in check ?
    First of all please learn some basic geography. The Caucuses region is not in the middle east, and is not considered by an entity to be located in the middle east.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    First of all please learn some basic geography. The Caucuses region is not in the middle east, and is not considered by an entity to be located in the middle east.
    some include Caucus in middle east. It's not that uncommon.
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    honestly, I'd prefer Turkey, but without Erdogan

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogukan View Post
    some include Caucus in middle east. It's not that uncommon.
    There is no way Armenia is geographically in europe.

    Russian Geographic Society has considered whole Caucasus and fore-Caucasus region to be Asia, separated from europe by the Kuma-Manych Depression, because it marks a distinction in environment. All the recent interpretations of europe's south-eastern border are completely arbitrary.

    Georgia you can make a case for, maybe. But to suggest that Armenia and Azerbaijan are in europe, and Anatolia isn't, is just laughable.

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    man assciate member seems like no full membership but if full membership comes soon i am pretty scared. that will make georgia more aggressive if they are backed up and that will make us responsible the next time georgia acts up.

    also 2 more corrupt countries where europes taxmoney disappears in dark channels.

    i still doubt that the soup cooked in the source will be eaten as hot
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    Well I can understand the situation somewhat but then again I don't. Why should Georgia and Armenia become associate member states of the EU? We'd have another Balkans on our hands now...
    EU should be working on consolidation, straightening economics and welfare rather than getting potential new members.
    But perhaps it's just a political move to have an extra card in their hands when it comes down to Turkish-EU relations?

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    Default Re: Armenia and Georgia to become Associate Members of EU

    Still, choosing Armenia over turkey will certainly upset the later.

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