If you plan to make some next release of EB

[4th Regiment]

I am playing EB 1.2 for about 7 days now. It is great improvement compared to 0.8 which I have played few years ago. Definitely EB 1.2 is the best mod I have played so far considering both RTW and MTW 2.

But I will give some suggestions for next release...if it will one considering your work at EB II

My suggestion is maybe too radical, and not so cosmetically but units, buildings, engine, are already there so it will not be big work. So, take some time to listen my explanation to the end. Well…my suggestion is to give up all this European barbarian factions, and leave Iberia, Gaul, Britannia, Germany, Dacia etc as it realistically was – endless sea of various tribes, tribal federations, which were emerging and disappearing, with no constant boundaries, state organization etc. Why make artificial factions and “states” of some of the tribes when realistically in time span of the mod it was not a case. It should be, just one big rebel own territory, of course with various buildings and unique units for every region, if player decide to pursue conquest there. Of course, with aggressive rebel AI, strong rebel armies and garrisons, and big cultural difference and unrest it should be made very difficult, as it was, for every civilized faction. Very interesting realistic scripting events can be made to make it even more realistic. For example if you share border with some of the barbarians, you will receive a message from time to time, from some barbarian war lord, to pay a tribute. If you refuse, big barbarian army will appear into your border land. Or if you enter barbarian land with your army, it will trigger mobilization of Barbarians in region. This kind of concept would be much more realistic and will indeed with the name of EB. Also, it will free several more slots for important real civilized factions like Syracuse, Pergamon, or some of Asia Minor factions etc. thus making diplomacy and warfare and overall strategy much more difficult and interesting in civilized area.

Also, cutting of far south of the map with Saba faction, which was historically isolated from rest, and far north of the map– aprox no further north than German shores of Baltic, since those northern euro region were not indeed relevant to time span of the mod, or even much latter. This will free some slots for more regions and towns in relevant part of the map.

And on the end, to further improve my suggestion about unrest and civilization difference when conquering foreign, and especially barbarian regions. Unrest should be high and it should get higher every time when you build non native cultural/administrative building. But those building will decrease civilization difference and unrest will go down, just by passing of time. This will simulate gradual cultural assimilation of the region, and showing how difficult it would be in the begging to purse such a politics in beginning. Thus leaving player option or to start aggressive assimilation in the beginning, or to wait years for unrest go down, and than try to develop those regions.

This is maybe too radical, but who like to play old stile, could always stick to EB 1.2

Thanks.

[DoogansQuest]

That actually sounds like a fantastic idea, but I think the idea is that some people want to play with the Barbarian cultures, learn about their history, and use their super cool units (like Gallic Swordsmen, etc.).

Making room for Sparta, Syracuse, Pergamon, Galatia, and some other faction (probably in the Dacia/Thrace region) would be cool, however.

[Dargaron]

4th regiment, you made a similar, (actually almost identical) post in the EB II subforum, and Foot explained to you why this would be against the whole point of Europa Barbarorum, which was originally designed to show the proper, historical respect due to the "Barbarian" peoples of antiquity.

I know that, as a relatively new member of the forum, my voice may have little weight, but I must ask; how many of the Europa Barbarorum threads have you read? Did you know about the La Tene culture that gave rise to chainmail, something that scattered, constantly shifting tribes would be unlikely to invent, due to the time implicit in making it? If I may be so bold, if everything north of the Baltic was irrelevant, what could be said about the Koinon Hellenon, the Bactrians, or even the Sauromatae?

Here is Foot's reply to your earlier thread.

Well done for completely misunderstanding the entire point of EB. 5* for you!

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endless sea of various tribes, tribal federations, which were emerging and disappearing, with no constant boundaries, state organization etc. Why make artificial factions and “states” of some of the tribes when realistically in time span of the mod it was not a case.

Incorrect. They were not emerging and disappearing like some turbulent sea of identity. The political organisation of Gaul and Iberia was extremely complex in places. The Gallic tribes were ruled over, in many cases, by something very much akin to a Senate. Indeed, the Carnutes were the protector of Druidic Council who were the lawyers and intellectuals of all of Gaul and their influence even extended beyond this.

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For example if you share border with some of the barbarians, you will receive a message from time to time, from some barbarian war lord, to pay a tribute.

What kind of idea is this. Barbarians didn't run around threatening mass migration into people's territory. Gallic kings had very small armies of professionals and bondsmen. Huge migrations were rare and were not controlled by the king. They likely resulted from a population explosion and would not have been utilised as a threat to "civilised" factions.

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This kind of concept would be much more realistic and will indeed with the name of EB.

This kind of concept would be much less realistic and will indeed not fit with the name of EB.

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since those northern euro region were not indeed relevant to time span of the mod, or even much latter.

Relevant for who. The classical authors we read nowadays or to the great civilisations that lived in that part of the world.

Please please please keep an open mind and go and read some history books. You did promise to when you installed EBI.

Foot

Foot's replies are bolded.

My apologies if this is too harsh, but you really have been told why this would not work already.

[SimpleCourage47]

4th regiment, you made a similar, (actually almost identical) post in the EB II subforum, and Foot explained to you why this would be against the whole point of Europa Barbarorum, which was originally designed to show the proper, historical respect due to the "Barbarian" peoples of antiquity.

I know that, as a relatively new member of the forum, my voice may have little weight, but I must ask; how many of the Europa Barbarorum threads have you read? Did you know about the La Tene culture that gave rise to chainmail, something that scattered, constantly shifting tribes would be unlikely to invent, due to the time implicit in making it? If I may be so bold, if everything north of the Baltic was irrelevant, what could be said about the Koinon Hellenon, the Bactrians, or even the Sauromatae?

Here is Foot's reply to your earlier thread.


Foot's replies are bolded.

My apologies if this is too harsh, but you really have been told why this would not work already.

i completely agree with you here and its not to harsh at all. EB would no longer be EB if 4th regiment had his changes.

[4th Regiment]

I have replayed to you in EB II tread, since @Foot make his replay there.

You can read it here

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=315644

Thanks, and do not take it personal, it is suggestion