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    Default Generals' Revolt: Should McChrystal be Fired?

    why, you ask?
    insubordination, interfering in the political process of the presidential decision to start off with:
    basically, McChrystal and his cronies and some Republicans blackballed the President into sending troops to a-stan.
    This, from the rolling stone just before the decision to send troops:
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    The Generals' Revolt

    As Obama rethinks America's failed strategy in Afghanistan, he faces two insurgencies: the Taliban and the Pentagon

    ROBERT DREYFUSSPosted Oct 28, 2009 1:51 PM



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    In early October, as President Obama huddled with top administration officials in the White House situation room to rethink America's failing strategy in Afghanistan, the Pentagon and top military brass were trying to make the president an offer he couldn't refuse. They wanted the president to escalate the war — go all in by committing 40,000 more troops and another trillion dollars to a Vietnam-like quagmire — or face a full-scale mutiny by his generals.
    Obama knew that if he rebuffed the military's pressure, several senior officers — including Gen. David Petraeus, the ambitious head of U.S. Central Command, who is rumored to be eyeing a presidential bid of his own in 2012 — could break ranks and join forces with hawks in the Republican Party. GOP leaders and conservative media outlets wasted no time in warning Obama that if he refused to back the troop escalation being demanded by Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the commander overseeing the eight-year-old war, he'd be putting U.S. soldiers' lives at risk and inviting Al Qaeda to launch new assaults on the homeland. The president, it seems, is battling two insurgencies: one in Afghanistan and one cooked up by his own generals.
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    "I don't understand why the military is putting so much pressure on the White House now over Afghanistan," says a former U.S. ambassador to Pakistan. "Unless it has something to do with the presidential ambitions of a certain Centcom commander."
    The military's campaign to force Obama's hand started in earnest in September, when the Commander's Initial Assessment of the war — a highly classified report prepared by McChrystal — was leaked to The Washington Post. According to insiders, the leak was coordinated by someone close to Petraeus, McChrystal's boss and ally. Speculation has centered on Gen. Jack Keane, a retired Army vice chief of staff and Petraeus confidant, who helped convince George W. Bush to get behind the "surge" in Iraq. In the report, McChrystal paints a dire picture of the American effort in Afghanistan, concluding that a massive increase in troop levels is the only way to prevent a humiliating failure.
    On Capitol Hill, hawkish GOP congressmen seized the opening to turn up the heat on Obama by demanding that he allow McChrystal and Petraeus to come to Washington to testify at high-profile hearings to ask for more troops. "It is time to listen to our commanders on the ground, not the ever-changing political winds whispering defeat in Washington," declared Sen. Kit Bond, a Republican from Missouri. Attempting to usurp Obama's authority as commander in chief, Sen. John McCain introduced an amendment to compel the two generals to come before Congress, but the measure was voted down by the Democratic majority.
    As the pressure from the military and the right built, McChrystal went on 60 Minutes to complain that he had only talked to Obama once since his appointment in June. Then, upping the ante, the general flew to London for a speech, where he was asked if de-escalating the war, along the lines reportedly suggested by Vice President Joe Biden, might work. "The short answer is: no," said McChrystal, dismissing the idea as "shortsighted." His comment — which bluntly defied the American tradition that a military officer's job is to carry out policy, not make it — shocked political observers in Washington and reportedly angered the White House.
    "Petraeus and McChrystal have put Obama in a trick bag," says Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, a former top aide to Secretary of State Colin Powell. "We had this happen one time before, with Douglas MacArthur" — the right-wing general who was fired after he defied President Truman over the Korean War in 1951.
    It isn't clear how far McChrystal and his boss, Petraeus, are willing to go. There have been rumors around the Pentagon that McChrystal might quit if Obama doesn't give him what he wants — a move that would fuel Republican criticism of Obama. "He'll be a good soldier, but he will only go so far," a senior U.S. military officer in Kabul told reporters.
    For his part, Obama moved quickly to handle the insurrection. One day after McChrystal's defiant London speech, the president unexpectedly summoned the general to a one-on-one meeting aboard an idling Air Force One in Copenhagen. No details of the discussion were released, but two days later Jim Jones, the retired Marine general who now serves as Obama's national-security adviser, publicly rebuked McChrystal, declaring that it is "better for military advice to come up through the chain of command."
    The struggle between the White House and the Pentagon is an important test of whether the president can take command in a political storm that could tear his administration apart. Obama himself is partly to blame for the position he finds himself in. During the presidential campaign last year, Obama praised the Afghan conflict as "the right war," in contrast to the bungled and unnecessary invasion of Iraq. Once in office, he ordered 21,000 additional troops to Kabul, painting the war as vital to America's national security. "If the Afghan government falls to the Taliban or allows Al Qaeda to go unchallenged," the president declared, "that country will again be a base for terrorists who want to kill as many of our people as they possibly can." He also fired the commanding general in Afghanistan, David McKiernan, and replaced him with McChrystal, a close Petraeus ally and an advocate of the doctrine of counterinsurgency.
    When it comes to COIN, as it's known in military jargon, Petraeus literally wrote the book: the Counterinsurgency Field Manual, which has become the bible for proponents of COIN. In its essence, counterinsurgency demands an extremely troop-intensive, village-by-village effort to win hearts and minds among the population of an occupied country, supported by a lethal killing machine and an expensive "clear, hold and build" program to eliminate the enemy from an area and consolidate those gains. Within the military, COIN has developed a cult following. "It has become almost a religion for some people," says Paul Pillar, a former top intelligence official with wide expertise in terrorism and the Middle East.
    Supporters of Petraeus and McChrystal acknowledge that applying COIN to Afghanistan means a heavy U.S. commitment to war, in both blood and treasure. Even if Obama dispatches 40,000 additional troops, on top of the 68,000 Americans already committed, we won't even know if it's working for at least a year. "That is something that will certainly take 12 to 18 months to assess," said Kim Kagan, the president of the Institute for the Study of War, who helped write McChrystal's request for more troops. Bruce Riedel, a COIN advocate and veteran CIA officer who led Obama's review of the war last March, is even more blunt. "Anyone who thinks that in 12 to 18 months we're going to be anywhere close to victory," he said, "is living in a fantasyland."
    In addition, the doctrine of counterinsurgency virtually assures long-running military campaigns in other hot spots, even as we're engaged in combat and rebuilding operations in Afghanistan. "We're going to be involved in this type of activity in a number of countries for the next 15 to 20 years," said Lt. Gen. David Barno, a COIN advocate who served as commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan.
    So far, though, COIN hasn't exactly delivered on its promises. Despite the addition of 21,000 troops in March, the Taliban have continued to make gains across Afghanistan, establishing control or significantly disrupting at least 40 percent of the country. According to McChrystal's own report, Taliban leaders "appoint shadow governors for most provinces," set up courts, levy taxes, conscript fighters and boast about providing "security against a corrupt government." What's more, U.S. casualties have skyrocketed: In the four months since McChrystal took over, 165 Americans have died in Afghanistan — nearly one-fifth of those killed during the entire war.
    By late summer, some in the Obama administration began to have doubts about the efficacy of McChrystal's counterinsurgency strategy — doubts that greatly increased in the wake of Afghanistan's disastrous presidential election in August. Hamid Karzai, Washington's hand-picked president, was accused of widespread fraud, including ballot-box stuffing and "ghost" polling stations. Without a credible Afghan government, COIN can't succeed, since its core idea is to build support for the Afghan government.
    Even before the election fiasco, Obama had sent Jones, his national-security adviser, to Kabul to deliver a message to his military commander: The White House wouldn't look favorably on sending more soldiers to Afghanistan. If the Pentagon asked for more troops, Jones told McChrystal's top generals, the president would have "a Whisky Tango Foxtrot moment" — that is, What the ? According to The Washington Post, which reported the encounter, the generals present "seemed to blanch at the unambiguous message that this might be all the troops they were going to get."
    Not long after the Afghan elections, Obama began a top-to-bottom strategy review of the war. Among those who started to question the basic assumptions of McChrystal and his COIN allies were Jones, many of his colleagues on the National Security Council, and Vice President Biden. By contrast, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton remained remarkably quiet during the assessment, seeming to defer to the White House when it came to challenging the Pentagon brass.
    The issue has presented the most difficult political decision of Obama's presidency thus far. The White House knew that if Obama were to "fully resource" the military campaign, he would be going to war without his own political base, which has turned strongly against the Afghan war. For the first time since 2001, according to polls, a majority of Americans believe that the war in Afghanistan is "not worth fighting." Fifty-seven percent of independents and nearly three-quarters of Democrats oppose the war — and overall, only 26 percent of Americans support the idea of adding more troops. Indeed, if Obama were to escalate the war, his only allies would be the Pentagon, Congressional Republicans, an ultraconservative think tank called the Foreign Policy Initiative, whose supporters include Karl Rove, Sarah Palin and a passel of neoconservatives and former aides to George W. Bush.
    On the other hand, rejecting McChrystal's demands for more troops would make Obama vulnerable to GOP accusations that he was embracing defeat, and give congressional Republicans another angle of attack during midterm elections next year. Even worse, the administration has to take into account the possibility of a terrorist attack, which would allow the GOP to put the blame on the White House. "All it would take is one terrorist attack, vaguely linked to Afghanistan, for the military and his opponents to pounce all over him," says Pillar.
    Within the administration, Biden has emerged as the leading opponent of McChrystal's approach to never-ending war. "He's proposing that we stop doing large-scale counterinsurgency, that we rely on drones, U.S. Special Forces and other tools to combat Al Qaeda," says Stephen Biddle, an expert at the Council on Foreign Relations who served on McChrystal's advisory team. Biden's view, which has support among a significant number of officials and analysts in and out of government, is that rather than trying to defeat the Taliban, the United States ought to focus on targeting Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups that want to strike at American targets.
    That Biden took the lead, says one former national-security official, may be a sign that he has the president's support. "Biden is playing a very inside game," says the official. "He's in every meeting." In early October, the vice president held a private session to discuss war strategy with two members of the administration who are considered among the more hawkish members of Obama's team: Hillary Clinton and Richard Holbrooke, the State Department's special adviser on Afghanistan and Pakistan. In addition, Biden and Obama, both former senators, are said to be relying on the counsel of a pair of relatively dovish former colleagues, Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island and Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts. Kerry, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has recently made comparisons between Afghanistan and Vietnam. Also weighing in, apparently to advise against sending more troops, has been Colin Powell, who met quietly with Obama in mid-September.
    Supporters of Biden's view argue that adding more troops would actually make the problem worse, not better, because the Taliban draw support from the fiercely nationalist Pashtun ethnic group in Afghanistan and Pakistan, who will mobilize to resist a long-term occupation. "The real fact is, the more people we put in, the more opposition there will be," says Selig Harrison, a longtime observer of Afghanistan at the Center for International Policy, a think tank formed in the wake of the Vietnam War by former diplomats and peace activists. The only exit strategy that might work, say Harrison and others, is dramatically reducing the U.S. military role in Afghanistan, shifting the focus from the Taliban to Al Qaeda, and stepping up political and diplomatic efforts. Such an initiative would also require an intensive push to secure support from Pakistan and Saudi Arabia — which maintain links to the Taliban — as well as Iran, Russia, India and China.
    "There's only one mission there that we can accomplish," says Michael Scheuer, who led the CIA's anti-Osama bin Laden unit for years. "To go into Afghanistan, kill Al Qaeda, do as much damage to the Taliban as possible and leave."
    Opponents of that approach insist that it would allow Al Qaeda to re-establish a safe haven in Afghanistan and resume plotting attacks. But many terrorism experts point out that Al Qaeda doesn't need Afghanistan as a base of operations, since it can plan actions from Pakistan or, for that matter, from a mosque in London or Hamburg. "We deal with Al Qaeda in every country in the world without invading the country," says Sen. Russ Feingold, a Democrat who serves on both the Senate foreign-relations and intelligence committees. "We deal with them in Indonesia, the Philippines, Yemen, Somalia, in European countries, in our own country, with various means that range from law enforcement to military action to other kinds of actions."
    Feingold, who has proposed setting a flexible timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. forces, says that the administration must listen to advisers like Biden who favor shifting course in Afghanistan. "If they do not, if they refuse to, then we in Congress have to start proposing our own timetables, just as we did when we were stonewalled by the Bush administration," Feingold says. "I'm prepared to take whatever steps I need to, in consultation with other members of Congress, to make those proposals if necessary."
    Other Democrats have also expressed doubts about appropriating more money for the conflict. Monthly spending on the war is rising rapidly — from $2 billion in October 2008 to $6.7 billion in June 2009 — and Obama has requested a total of $65 billion for 2010, even without another troop surge. "I don't think there is a great deal of support for sending more troops to Afghanistan in the country or in Congress," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Sen. Carl Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, has declared his preference for sending trainers to Afghanistan to build that country's armed forces, instead of U.S. combat troops. And Rep. Jim McGovern recently got 138 votes for an amendment that would have required the administration to declare its exit strategy. "The further we get sucked into this war, the harder it will be to get out of it," McGovern says. "What the hell is the objective? Tell me how this has a happy ending. Tell me how we win this. How do we measure success?"
    Given the political pressure from both sides, Obama appears to favor sidestepping the issue. At a meeting with congressional leaders from both parties at the White House on October 6th, the president said he won't significantly reduce the number of troops in Afghanistan, as many Democrats had hoped — but he also seemed unlikely to endorse the major troop buildup proposed by McChrystal. While that approach may quell the Pentagon's insurrection for now, it only prolongs the conflict in Afghanistan, postponing what many see as an inevitable withdrawal. Wilkerson, the former aide to Colin Powell, hopes Obama will follow the example of President Kennedy, who faced down his generals during the Cuban Missile Crisis. "It's going to take John Kennedy-type courage to turn to his Curtis LeMay and say, 'No, we're not going to bomb Cuba,'" Wilkerson says. "It took a lot of courage on Kennedy's part to defy the Pentagon, defy the military — and do the right thing."
    [From Issue 1090 — October 29, 2009



    source: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...enerals_revolt
    Even Al Jazeera english could see it and did a piece on it:


    and then later on, president obama bowed to the Generals (heh, seems to do it a lot)
    commander in chief my arse, but McChrystal had worked actively to undermine obama's withdrawal position:
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    ISPATCHES FROM AMERICA
    Meet the commanded-in-chief
    By Tom Engelhardt

    Let others deal with the details of President Barack Obama's Afghan speech, with the on-ramps and off-ramps, those 30,000 United States troops going in and just where they will be deployed, the benchmarks for what's called "good governance" in Afghanistan, the corruption of the Hamid Karzai regime, the viability of counter-insurgency warfare, the reliability of North Atlantic Treaty organization (NATO) allies, and so on. Let's just skip to the most essential point which, in a nutshell, is this: victory at last!

    It's been a long time coming, but finally American war commanders have effectively marshaled their forces, net-centrically outmaneuvering and outflanking the enemy. They have

    shocked-and-awed their opponents, won the necessary hearts-and-minds, and so, for the first time in at least two decades, stand at the heights of success, triumphant at last.

    And no, I'm not talking about post-surge Iraq and certainly not about devolving Afghanistan. I'm talking about what's happening in Washington.

    A symbolic surrender of civilian authority
    You may not think so, but on Tuesday night from the US Military Academy at West Point, in his first prime-time presidential address to the nation, Barack Obama surrendered. It may not have looked like that: there were no surrender documents; he wasn't on the deck of the USS Missouri; he never bowed his head. Still, from today on, think of him not as the commander-in-chief, but as the commanded-in-chief.

    And give credit to the victors. Their campaign was nothing short of brilliant. Like the policy brigands they were, they ambushed the president, held him up with their threats, brought to bear key media players and Republican honchos, and in the end made off with the loot. The campaign began in late September with a strategic leak of Afghan War commander General Stanley McChrystal's grim review of the situation in that country, including demands for sizeable troop escalations and a commitment to a counterinsurgency war.

    It came to include rumors of potential retirements in protest if the president didn't deliver, as well as clearly insubordinate policy remarks by General McChrystal, not to speak of an impressive citizen-mobilization of inside-the-Beltway former neo-conservative or fighting liberal think-tank experts, and a helping hand from an admiring media. In the process, the US military succeeded in boxing in a president who had already locked himself into a conflict he had termed both "the right war" and a "necessary" one. After more than two months of painfully over-reported deliberations, Obama has now ended up essentially where General McChrystal began.



    Counter-insurgency (COIN) doctrine was dusted off from the moldy Vietnam archives and made spanking new by General David Petraeus in 2006, applied in Iraq (and Washington) in 2007, and put forward for Afghanistan in late 2008. It has now been largely endorsed, and a major escalation of the war - a new kind of military-led nation building (or, as they like to say, "good governance") - is to be cranked up and set in motion. COIN is being billed as a "population-centric", not "enemy-centric" approach in which US troops are distinctly to be "nation-builders as well as warriors".

    As for those 30,000 troops, most expected to arrive in the Afghan combat zone within the next six months, the numbers are even more impressive when you realize that, as late as the summer of 2008, the US only had about 28,000 troops in Afghanistan. In other words, in less than two years, US troop strength in that country will have more than tripled to approximately 100,000 troops. So we're talking near-Vietnam-level escalation rates. If you include the 38,000 North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) forces also there (and a possible 5,000 more to come), total allied troop strength will be significantly above what the Soviets deployed during their devastating Afghan War of the 1980s, in which they fought some of the same insurgents now arrayed against us.

    Think of this as Obama's anti-MacArthur moment. In April 1951, in the midst of the Korean War, president Harry Truman relieved Douglas MacArthur of command of the American forces. He did so because the general, a far grander public figure than either McChrystal or Central Command (CENTCOM) commander General Petraeus (and with dreams of his own about a possible presidential run), had publicly disagreed with, and interfered with, Truman's plans to "limit" the war after the Chinese intervened.

    Obama, too, has faced what Robert Dreyfuss in Rolling Stone calls a "generals' revolt" - amid fears that his Republican opposition would line up behind the insubordinate field commanders and make hay in the 2010 and 2012 election campaigns. Obama, too, has faced a general, Petraeus, who has played a far subtler game than MacArthur ever did. After more than two months of what right-wing critics termed "dithering" and supporters called "thorough deliberations", Obama dealt with the problem quite differently to Truman. He essentially agreed to subordinate himself to the publicly stated wishes of his field commanders. (Not that his Republican critics will give him much credit for doing so, of course.) This is called "politics" in our country and, for a Democratic president in our era, Tuesday night's end result was remarkably predictable.

    When Obama bowed to the Japanese emperor on his recent Asian tour, there was a media uproar in this country. Even though the speech last Tuesday night should be thought of as bowing to the American military, there is likely to be little complaint on that score. Similarly, despite the significance of symbolism in Washington, there has been surprisingly little discussion about the president's decision to address the American people not from the Oval Office but from the US Military Academy at West Point.

    It was there that, in 2002, George W Bush gave a speech before the assembled cadets in which he laid out his aggressive strategy of preventive war, which would become the cornerstone of "the Bush Doctrine". ("If we wait for threats to fully materialize, we will have waited too long - our security will require transforming the military you will lead - a military that must be ready to strike at a moment's notice in any dark corner of the world. And our security will require all Americans to be forward-looking and resolute, to be ready for preemptive action when necessary to defend our liberty and to defend our lives.") But keep in mind that this was still a graduation speech and presidents have traditionally addressed one of the military academies at graduation time.

    Obama is not a man who appears in prop military jackets with "commander-in-chief" hand-stitched across his heart before hoo-aahing crowds of soldiers, as our last president loved to do, and yet in his first months in office he has increasingly appeared at military events and associated himself with things military. This speech represents another step in that direction. Has a president ever, in fact, given a non-graduation speech at West Point, no less a major address to the American people?

    Certainly, the choice of venue, and so the decision to address a military audience first and other Americans second, not only emphasized the escalatory military path chosen in Afghanistan, but represented a kind of symbolic surrender of civilian authority.

    For his American audience, and undoubtedly his skittish NATO allies as well, the president did put a significant emphasis on an exit strategy from the war. That off-ramp strategy was, however, placed in the context of the training of the woeful Afghan security forces to take control of the struggle themselves and the woeful government of Afghan President Hamid Karzai to turn over a new nation-building leaf. Like the choice of West Point, this, too, seemed to resonate with eerie echoes of the years in which George W Bush regularly intoned the mantra: "As Iraqis stand-up, we will stand down."

    In his address, Obama offered July 2011 as the date to begin a withdrawing the first US troops from Afghanistan. ("After 18 months, our troops will begin to come home.") However, according to the Washington-insider Nelson Report, a White House "on background" press briefing Tuesday afternoon made it far clearer that the president was talking about a "conditions based withdrawal". It would, in other words, depend "on objective conditions on the ground", on whether the Afghans had met the necessary "benchmarks". When asked about the "scaling back" of the American war effort, General McChrystal recently suggested a more conservative timeline - "sometime before 2013" - seconded hazily by Said Jawad, the Afghan ambassador to Washington. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates refers to this as a "thinning out" of US forces.

    In fact, there's no reason to put faith in any of these hazy deadlines. After all, this is the administration that came into office announcing a firm one-year closing date for the US prison in Guantanamo (now officially missed), a firm sunshine policy for an end-of-2009 release of millions of pages of historical documents from the archives of the Central Intelligence Agency and other intelligence and military services (now officially delayed, possibly for years), and of course a firm date for the withdrawal of US combat troops, followed by all US forces from Iraq (now possibly slipping).

    Finish the job in Afghanistan? Based on the plans of the field commanders to whom the president has bowed, on the administration's record of escalation in the war so far, and on the quiet reassurances to the Pakistanis that we aren't leaving Afghanistan in any imaginable future, this war looks to be all job and no finish. Whatever the flourishes, that was the essence of Tuesday night's surrender speech.

    Monty Python in Afghanistan
    Honestly, if it weren't so grim, despite all the upbeat benchmarks and encouraging words in the president's speech, this would certainly qualify as Monty Python in Afghanistan, lacking only the Vietnam War era comedy group's comedic scene-changing foot from nowhere and catchphrase of "now for something completely different" - leading to more of the same anarchic skits.

    After all, three cabinet ministers and 12 former ministers are under investigation in Afghanistan itself on corruption charges. That barely scratches the surface of the problems in a country that one Russian expert recently referred to as an "international drug firm", where at least one-third of the gross national product
    omes from the drug trade. In addition, as Juan Cole wrote at his Informed Comment blog:
    Months after the controversial presidential election that many Afghans consider stolen, there is no cabinet, and parliament is threatening to go on recess before confirming a new one because the president is unconstitutionally late in presenting the names. There are grave suspicions that some past and present cabinet members have engaged in the embezzlement of substantial sums of money. There is little parliamentary oversight. Almost no one bothers to attend the parliamentary sessions. The cabinet ministries are unable to spend the money allocated to them on things like education and rural development, and actually spent less in absolute terms last year than they did in the previous two years.
    In addition, the Taliban now reportedly take a cut of the billions of dollars in US development aid flowing into the country, much of


    which is otherwise squandered, and of the American money that goes into "protecting" the convoys that bring supplies to US troops throughout the country.

    One out of every four Afghan soldiers has quit or deserted the Afghan National Army in the past year, while the poorly paid, largely illiterate, hapless Afghan police with their "well-deserved reputation for stealing and extorting bribes", not to speak of a drug abuse rate estimated at 15%, are, as it is politely put, "years away from functioning independently"; and the insurgency is spreading to new areas of the country and reviving in others.

    Good governance? Good grief!
    Not that Washington, which obviously feels that it has much to impart to the Afghan people about good governance and how to deal with corruption, has particularly firm ground to stand on. After all, the United States has just completed its first billion-dollar presidential election in a $5 billion election season, and two administrations just propped up some of the worst financial scofflaws in the history of the world and got nothing back in return.

    Meanwhile, the money flowing into Washington political coffers from Wall Street, the military-industrial complex, the pharmaceutical and healthcare industries, real estate, legal firms, and the like might be thought of as a kind of drug in itself. At the same time, according to USA Today, at least 158 retired generals and admirals, many already pulling in military pensions in the range of $100,000-$200,000, have been hired as "senior mentors" by the Pentagon "to offer advice under an unusual arrangement": they also work for companies seeking Defense Department contracts.

    In Congress, a senate maneuver that only a few years ago was so rare that the response to it was nicknamed "the nuclear option" - needing a 60-vote majority to pass anything of significance - has, almost without comment, become a commonplace for the passage of just about anything. This means Congress is eternally in a state of gridlock. And that's just for starters when it comes to ways in which the US government, so ready to surge its military and its civilian employees into Afghanistan in the name of good governance, is in need of repair, if not nation-building itself.

    Airless in Washington
    It's nonetheless the wisdom of this Washington and of this military that Obama has been found wanting, at least when it comes to Afghanistan.

    So here's a question: Why did he listen to them? And under such circumstances, why should we take the results seriously?

    Stop for a moment and consider the cast of characters who offered the president the full range of advice available in Washington - all of which, as far as we can tell, from Vice President Joe Biden's "counterterrorism-plus" strategy to McChrystal's COIN and beyond, was escalatory in nature. These are, of course, the wise men (and woman) of our era. But just a cursory glance at their collective record should at least make you wonder:

    Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is now said to be the official with the best ties to Afghan President Hamid Karzai and so the one in charge of "coaxing" him into a round of reasonable nation-building, of making "a new compact" with the Afghan people by "improving governance and cracking down on corruption"; and yet, in the early 1990s, in her single significant nation-building experience at home, she botched the possibility of getting a universal healthcare bill through Congress. She also had the "wisdom" to vote in 2003 to authorize the invasion of Iraq.

    Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, reputedly deeply trusted by the president and in charge of planning out our military future in Afghanistan, was in the 1980s a supposed expert on the Soviet Union as well as deputy CIA director and later deputy to national security advisor Brent Scowcroft. Yet, in those years, he couldn't bring himself to believe that the Soviets were done for, even as that empire was disappearing from the face of the Earth.

    In the words of former National Security Council official Roger Morris, Gates "waged a final battle against the Soviets, denying at every turn that the old enemy was actually dying". As former CIA official Melvin Goodman has put the matter: "Gates was wrong about every key intelligence question of the 1980s ... A Kremlinologist by training, Gates was one of the last American hardliners to comprehend the changes taking place in the Soviet Union. He was wrong about [former Soviet president] Mikhail Gorbachev, wrong about the importance of reform, wrong about Moscow's pursuit of arms control and detente with the United States. He was wrong about the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan..."

    Biden, recently described as potentially "the second-most-powerful vice president in history" as well as "the president's all-purpose adviser and sage" on foreign policy, was during the Bush years a believer in nation-building in Afghanistan, voted to authorize the invasion of Iraq, and later promoted the idea - like Caesar's for Gaul - dividing the country into three parts (without, of course, bothering to ask the Iraqis), while leaving 25,000-30,000 American troops based there in perpetuity, while "these regions build up their state police forces".

    McChrystal, our war commander in Afghanistan and now the poster boy for COIN, had his skills honed purely in the field of counterterrorism. He was a Special Ops guy. The man who is now to "protect" the Afghan people previously won his spurs as the head of the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) in Iraq and Afghanistan. He ran the "manhunters" - essentially, that is, he was the leader of a team of assassins and evidently part of what reporter Seymour Hersh has termed an "executive assassination wing" of that command, possibly taking orders directly from former vice president Dick Cheney. His skills involved guns to the head, not protective boots on the ground.

    Petraeus, the general leading everything, and who has been practically deified in the US media, is perhaps the savviest and most accomplished of this crew. He surged into Iraq in 2007 and, with the help of fortuitous indigenous developments, staunched the worst of the bleeding, leaving behind a big question mark. His greatest skill, however, has been in fostering the career of Petraeus. He is undoubtedly an advisor with an agenda and in his wake comes a whole crew of military and think-tank experts, with almost unblemished records of being wrong in the Bush years, whom the surge in Iraq recredentialized.

    Karl Eikenberry, our ambassador to Kabul, in his previous career in the US military served two tours of duty in Afghanistan and as the commander of Combined Forces Command Afghanistan was the general responsible for building up the Afghan army and "reforming" that country's police force. On both counts, we know how effective that attempt proved.

    And when it comes to key figures with well-padded Washington CVs like Admiral Mike Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, or James Jones, present National Security Advisor and former commandant of the Marine Corps, as well as the Supreme Allied Commander, Europe, a close friend of Senator John McCain, and a former revolving-door board member of Chevron and Boeing, remind me just what sticks in your mind about their accomplishments?

    So, when you think about Obama's Afghan decisions, imagine first that the man considered the smartest, most thoughtful president of our era chose to surround himself with these people. He chose, that is, not fresh air, or fresh thought in the field of foreign and war policy, but the airless precincts where the combined wisdom of Washington and the Pentagon now exists, and the remarkable lack of accomplishment that goes with it. In short, these are people whose credentials largely consist of not having been right about much over the years.

    Admittedly, this administration has called in practically every Afghan expert in sight. Everyone involved could now undoubtedly expound on relatively abstruse questions of Afghan tribal politics, locate Paktia province on a map in a flash, and tell you just which of Karzai's ministers are under investigation for corruption.

    Unfortunately, the most essential problem isn't in Afghanistan; it's here in the US, in Washington, where knowledge is slim, egos are large, and national security wisdom is deeply imprinted on a system bleeding money and breaking down. The president campaigned on the slogan, "Change we can believe in". He then chose as advisors - in the economic sphere as well, where a similar record of gross error, narrow and unimaginative thinking, and over-identification with the powerful could easily be compiled - a crew who had never seen a significant change, or an out-of-the-ordinary thought it could live with - and still can't.

    As a result, the Iraq War has yet to begin to go away, the Afghan war is being escalated in a major way, the Middle East is in some turmoil, Guantanamo remains open, black sites are still operating in Afghanistan, the Pentagon's budget has grown yet larger, and supplemental demands on Congress for yet more money to pay for George W Bush's wars will, despite promises otherwise, soon enough be made.

    A stale crew breathing stale air has ensured that Afghanistan, the first of Bush's disastrous wars, is now truly Obama's War; and the news came directly from West Point where the president surrendered to his militarized fate.

    Tom Engelhardt, co-founder of the American Empire Project, runs the Nation Institute's TomDispatch.com. He is the author of The End of Victory Culture, a history of the Cold War and beyond, as well as of a novel, The Last Days of Publishing. He also edited The World According to TomDispatch: America in the New Age of Empire (Verso, 2008), an alternative history of the mad Bush years.

    source: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KL05Df01.html

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    I stopped reading when they compared Afghanistan to Vietnam.

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    I stopped reading when they compared Afghanistan to Vietnam.
    uh whut?
    vietnam and afghanistan?
    same , different smell

    you ought to be more concerned about the preident elect, meaning the guy who americans voted for, is being forced to make decisions/blackballed into serving the interests of a corrupt elite

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    uh whut?
    vietnam and afghanistan?
    same , different smell

    you ought to be more concerned about the preident elect, meaning the guy who americans voted for, is being forced to make decisions/blackballed into serving the interests of a corrupt elite


    His generals are doing their ing job and telling him the truth and not just what he wants to hear. That is a ing difference from 'Nam where the generals just told the president what he wanted to hear.

    And you're using Rolling Stones as a source?

    What next Playboy? Penthouse Forums?

    And Obama never promised a withdraw from A-Stan, he promised the opposite.
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    And you're using Rolling Stones as a source?

    What next Playboy? Penthouse Forums?

    And Obama never promised a withdraw from A-Stan, he promised the opposite.
    so you got a problem with that?
    playboy, penthouse, rolling stones articles actually have some decent journalism involved
    -that is, if you didnt think those magazines contained anything other than pretty pictures

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    so you got a problem with that?
    playboy, penthouse, rolling stones articles actually have some decent journalism involved
    -that is, if you didnt think those magazines contained anything other than pretty pictures
    No they don't. They have articles pushed to promote an agenda. Its as good as bringing up Glenn Beck for your argument.
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    ^ A wise decision ^

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    Sorry I don't go to Pop Culture magazines for my political analysis.
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    While that approach may quell the Pentagon's insurrection for now, it only prolongs the conflict in Afghanistan, postponing what many see as an inevitable withdrawal. Wilkerson, the former aide to Colin Powell, hopes Obama will follow the example of President Kennedy, who faced down his generals during the Cuban Missile Crisis. "It's going to take John Kennedy-type courage to turn to his Curtis LeMay and say, 'No, we're not going to bomb Cuba,'" Wilkerson says. "It took a lot of courage on Kennedy's part to defy the Pentagon, defy the military — and do the right thing."
    Apparently this asshat thinks 'the right thing' in the case of Afghanistan is to force the military to fight a war with hands tied behind their backs and allow the white house to run the war. What a 'tard.

    you ought to be more concerned about the preident elect, meaning the guy who americans voted for, is being forced to make decisions/blackballed into serving the interests of a corrupt elite
    The White House assuming they know how to fight a war better than the Pentagon is a mistake. We learned that in a certain asian war a few decades back and again in a different asian war a few years back.
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    personally i dont see the merits of increased troops presence in McChrystal's plan-it's akin to fighting a conventional war against an unconventional enemy.

    the only ones who benefit, are the same ones who benefited from vietnam-arms companies, weapons companies, halliburton etcetc.
    the best way to fight the taliban is with special forces, and intelligence-ideally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    personally i dont see the merits of increased troops presence in McChrystal's plan-it's akin to fighting a conventional war against an unconventional enemy.

    the only ones who benefit, are the same ones who benefited from vietnam-arms companies, weapons companies, halliburton etcetc.
    the best way to fight the taliban is with special forces, and intelligence-ideally.
    You mean like the Israelis did?

    How's it working there?

    They are fighting the war for 60 ing years and no end in site?

    Hmm...

    The only, ONLY way to win a non-conventional war is to secure the population and that requires troops.

    You not seeing the merit shows you know jack about counterinsurgency. But I'm nice and I'll give you a book:

    "Counterinsurgency Warfare: Theory and Practice" by David Galula of France.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Redleg Officer View Post
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    The only, ONLY way to win a non-conventional war is to secure the population and that requires troops.
    all of which will amount to nothing, since afghans continue to see NATO and US troops as occupiers, invaders
    and the taliban can play to that advantage as they have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    all of which will amount to nothing, since afghans continue to see NATO and US troops as occupiers, invaders
    and the taliban can play to that advantage as they have been.
    And the Iraqis saw the US as occupiers, that didn't deter the reduction of violence that happened.

    They don't got to like us, emotions fluctuate like the wind and are unreliable. They need it to be in their rational self interest to support us. Afghans, Iraqis and Americans always go for their rational self-interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    personally i dont see the merits of increased troops presence in McChrystal's plan-it's akin to fighting a conventional war against an unconventional enemy.

    the only ones who benefit, are the same ones who benefited from vietnam-arms companies, weapons companies, halliburton etcetc.
    the best way to fight the taliban is with special forces, and intelligence-ideally.
    And you say this with the benefit of the best of internet and google experience, and know better than career Generals?

    You cannot have your whole army composed of special forces, that's why they're called 'Special'. General McCrystal shouldnt be fired, he's done nothing wrong except in the eyes of the Left. And the hatred of the Left for McCrystal, means that he is doing everything A-OK. and in America's interest.

    Slick Willy tried ignoring AQ and the Taliban, and it brought us 9/11. While it would be far more preferable to let that part of the world kill each other, their reach in the modern age comes to the West too. We therefore need to be there, and we need to win. What will perhaps scuttle any plans in Afghanistan is the fact that Pakistan is giving the Taliban safe haven. A bit like Laos and Cambodia during the Vietnam war. If the Taliban can melt away into Pakistan, then its going to be impossible to ever win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Cashmere View Post
    You cannot have your whole army composed of special forces, that's why they're called 'Special'. General McCrystal shouldnt be fired, he's done nothing wrong except in the eyes of the Left. And the hatred of the Left for McCrystal, means that he is doing everything A-OK. and in America's interest.
    Left is controlling US government now...

    I personally favor McCrystal got fired, because his strategy does not impress me.
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    personally i dont see the merits of increased troops presence in McChrystal's plan-it's akin to fighting a conventional war against an unconventional enemy.

    the only ones who benefit, are the same ones who benefited from vietnam-arms companies, weapons companies, halliburton etcetc.
    the best way to fight the taliban is with special forces, and intelligence-ideally.
    The best way to fight the Taliban is the same way we fought the insurgency in Iraq. You fight with Afghan police, army, and local militias. You use conventional troops to train them, support them in combat, and to improve their villages or quality of life. When you do this you make the war "us versus the Taliban" in the minds of the Afghans instead of "the west versus the Taliban".

    Special forces fulfill a support role in the military. They support the grunts, just like any other job in the military does. Basing your strategy on them is like basing your strategy on UAV's, helo support, or artillery.

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    all of which will amount to nothing, since afghans continue to see NATO and US troops as occupiers, invaders
    and the taliban can play to that advantage as they have been.
    The Iraqi insurgency played to that advantage as well at one point. Plus, I'm going to have to ask how
    you know what afghans think of NATO or the Taliban.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    The Iraqi insurgency played to that advantage as well at one point. Plus, I'm going to have to ask how
    you know what afghans think of NATO or the Taliban.
    They don't like the ISAF.

    But they despise the Taliban.

    Thus we are the least worse option in their opinion.

    And Robert Dreyfuss?

    Robert Dreyfuss?

    He's as unbiased as Glenn Beck or Limdouche.
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    You've got to remember though that oppinion on the ISAF and Taliban is going to change dramatically depending on which part of Afghanistan and which tribe you're talking about.

    As for Dreyfuss, yes he's a well known d-bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    You've got to remember though that oppinion on the ISAF and Taliban is going to change dramatically depending on which part of Afghanistan and which tribe you're talking about.
    True, I'm talking over all.

    Parts of Helmand, Kandahar and Paktika Province are different.
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