Der dreissigjährige Krieg v1.0

[Gigantus]

Updated the faction symbols and the faction map in the first post.

[toluas]

It is often claimed that Samuel Pufendorf, the eminent seventeenth-century jurist and historian, first used the phrase 'The Thirty Years' War' to describe the series of conflicts which ravaged Europe between 1618 and 1648. That phrase certainly appears in his book, On the State of the German Empire , first published in 1667; but by then it was hardly new.

Already in 1649 the English weekly newspaper, The Modern Intelligencer , began to publish a series of articles entitled 'An epitome of the late Thirty Years' War in Germany.

In 1650 a similar service was provided for German readers by a pamphlet in that language entitled ‘A short chronicle of the Thirty Years' War’, which not only gave the dates and places of the major military actions but also offered a rough calculation of the losses of life and property caused by the conflict.

Well, there’s more to it. There’s been a long discussion about whether the term „Thirty Years’ War“ was used by contemporaries. Pufendorf’s “employer” Frederick William of Brandenburg wanted him to prove that Frederick’s domestic policy was all the more amazing considering the oh so dark and bad times concerning foreign policy. Frederick’s foreign policy should be portrayed as defending Protestantism and “German freedom” by Pufendorf.

The main proponent of the contemporary use is the German historian Konrad Repgen, who brought up some documents speaking of terms like “twenty years of war” or “thirty years of fighting”. (Though that does not prove that people saw this as a separate period of year, but just that there had been fighting going on for twenty or thirty years!)

His main opponent was British historian Sigfried Steinberg, who claimed that there was a constant 50-year fight between the houses of Bourbon and Habsburg from 1609 (Crisis of Jülich-Kleve) to 1659 (Peace of the Pyrenees). Further does Steinberg claim that the “Thirty Years’ War” – a term he just uses for clarity’s sake! – was nothing special or extraordinary, just thirty years of a much longer period of fighting, which was grossly overexaggerated by those seeing a “Thirty Years’ War”.

Nicola Sutherland tried to combine both schools of thought by saying that the “Thirty Years’ War” is a myth, but one that is so indestructible that it seems justified to use it nevertheless.

Also worth mentioning is the question whether to speak of a predominantly “German” war. If you see 50 years of fighting from 1609 to 1659 there’s nothing predominantly “German” to it. But if you see thirty years of war from 1618 to 1648, that fits in nicely with the perspective of “Germany” having suffered horribly during the “Thirty Years’ War” – exactly what Frederick William wanted…

[Dr. Croccer]

Some more songs.

[Hrobatos]

See here for Release Date

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[MorganH.]

Well, there’s more to it. There’s been a long discussion about whether the term „Thirty Years’ War“ was used by contemporaries. Pufendorf’s “employer” Frederick William of Brandenburg wanted him to prove that Frederick’s domestic policy was all the more amazing considering the oh so dark and bad times concerning foreign policy. Frederick’s foreign policy should be portrayed as defending Protestantism and “German freedom” by Pufendorf.

The main proponent of the contemporary use is the German historian Konrad Repgen, who brought up some documents speaking of terms like “twenty years of war” or “thirty years of fighting”. (Though that does not prove that people saw this as a separate period of year, but just that there had been fighting going on for twenty or thirty years!)

His main opponent was British historian Sigfried Steinberg, who claimed that there was a constant 50-year fight between the houses of Bourbon and Habsburg from 1609 (Crisis of Jülich-Kleve) to 1659 (Peace of the Pyrenees). Further does Steinberg claim that the “Thirty Years’ War” – a term he just uses for clarity’s sake! – was nothing special or extraordinary, just thirty years of a much longer period of fighting, which was grossly overexaggerated by those seeing a “Thirty Years’ War”.

Nicola Sutherland tried to combine both schools of thought by saying that the “Thirty Years’ War” is a myth, but one that is so indestructible that it seems justified to use it nevertheless.

Also worth mentioning is the question whether to speak of a predominantly “German” war. If you see 50 years of fighting from 1609 to 1659 there’s nothing predominantly “German” to it. But if you see thirty years of war from 1618 to 1648, that fits in nicely with the perspective of “Germany” having suffered horribly during the “Thirty Years’ War” – exactly what Frederick William wanted…

Very interesting! Thanks toluas,+rep

[Weltschmerz]

Long time no see, but I guess it's a good sign (less time spent on forums, more time to mod)?

[turkishman92]

wow this is a fantastic mod i cant wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[slaneslau]

nice map update nice to see sweeden and parts of norway was added.

[Nypifisel]

I've been waiting for a mod like this for so long now, and here it is. Thank you.

Theres nothing that interest me as much as the Thirty Years War does - I'm studying history at the moment with 17th century warfare as my major so if you need any help, just ask.

About music from the times I got a treat for you - if no one already posted it.

Here you'll see examples of battlefield inspired music from the Thirty years war and more. Enjoy:


Battlefield pieces

Paul Hanlein - Fanfare - Batallia á 5 (Battlefield Spectacle)


Hendrich Lübeckh - Auffzug printipal No.4 (Battlefield Spectacle)


Erasmus Widmann - Aller Freyen Tromettern zu Ehren (Cavalry trumpets)



Various pieces composed during the Thirty Years War:

Johann Staden - Plausus Noricus


Adolphus Terserus - Quadricinium triumphale


Jacob Praetorius - Salve decus suecorum Rex Gustave Adolphe

[slaneslau]

hey have u any good 30 years war programms to watch... cant find any on u tube [and in english]

[MorganH.]

hey have u any good 30 years war programms to watch... cant find any on u tube [and in english]

You could join this TWC social group;http://www.twcenter.net/forums/group.php?groupid=969

There are a lot of videos,pictures and background information on the War gathered there.

[slaneslau]

i already did join that group.. i left 2 posts 1 about Price Rupert of the Rhine.... seems i belong in it no more

[slaneslau]

On 23 May 1618, three figures fluttered down from a high window of the Castle Hradshin in the heart of Prague. Landing in a convenient heap of rubbish, they escaped with their lives. Thus began the Thirty Years War.

[toluas]

On 23 May 1618, three figures fluttered down from a high window of the Castle Hradshin in the heart of Prague. Landing in a convenient heap of rubbish, they escaped with their lives. Thus began the Thirty Years War.

Indeed, but was it the dung heaps or the grace of the Virgin Mary that saved their lives - as the catholic side insisted...

[Monguntiacum]

Maybe the dung of virgin mary? ;-)

[slaneslau]

myby the castle windows were not high

[Maximinus Thrax]

i already did join that group.. i left 2 posts 1 about Price Rupert of the Rhine.... seems i belong in it no more

What do you mean by that?

[toluas]

myby the castle windows were not high

17 metres seems pretty high to me.

[slaneslau]

What do you mean by that?

o sry i dident see my name.. opps

[Vasa121]

17 metres seems pretty high to me.

17 metres? Are you sure? I saw that window once, and it could've barely been more than 5 metres down to the ground...