CTD during turn of the rebels

[Danny087]

hi,

i know its possible to get a ctd, if a settlement rebells. But this time its very strange, this year, when i end my turn, i get a ctd but during the turn of the rebells. How can that be? can the rebels rebel?

[Hound of Ulster]

reload the autosave, then delete it, then activate the script, then end the turn

[Danny087]

i switched the autosave off, so its impossible

but i found out something interesting:

I read, it could help to search and kill armies of the rebels.
so i made toggle_fow, then i beamed one of my characters from one army to the other and killed it.
but one army, everytime i kill it, i get the victory-message, and then at that time, were it should retreat, ... ctd

how can that be?
and what can i do about it?

[Danny087]

and i forgot: this army is without a general, it's a captain, so how to kill this army by console?

[sinner]

retreat?! if it is a rebel army and you defeat it, then it should disband, can you be more spesific as to what happens? I dont think there is a console command that would allow you to destroy an army, you can try relocating that rebel army and fighting it on the battle map with a sizeable army of your own making sure none of the enemy soldiers survive. if that fails as well, try posting your saved game.

[Danny087]

oh sorry, of course i meant "at the time it should disband"

[Danny087]

ok, i tried it, moved the army and my army to another place on the map, but afte i won the battle, same problem: instead of the army to disband, the game ctd
dunno what to do now?!
Damn!

[sinner]

post your saved game. heres another thought, use FD to bribe that army then disband it.

[Danny087]

yes, it worked! really a wonderful idea! Thank you very very much sinner!

[vik.casar]

If I may be so bold and post my question here, instead of spamming the fora with the same topic:

Im having a seemingly same problem as Danny had: During turn of the rebels, the game CTDs. Funny thing: during AIs turn, when the rebels crash, it displays a random faction "wheel/logo" for a short time - it shows rebels, then "rewinds" back randomly. Epeiros, Lusotana, Saurmatae - these factions do not besiege rebel cities at that time, nor are attacked by rebel armies.

Year: 227, using RTW, hotfixes applied, CTD even without the script, no cities rebelled this turn

1)Should i proceed with killing every single rebel army in the world?
2)Some rebel cities are besieged at the moment by the AI. Can this be caused by rebel garrisons sallying forth?
3)What about rebel navies? Are they known for crashing the game?

thanks

[sinner]

1) not to that extent, try and see if there is a cluster of eleutheroie armies and destroy those.
2) I've known it to happen once.
3) no idea.
here's what you need to do, remove the fog of war, by using the toggle_fow cheat, then activate the "Follow AI " option, press next turn, this should hopefully show you where the CTD is occuring, if at a certain standing army or settlement. if the AI is moving quickly press space to slow it down.
also try posting your saved game so we can have a look.

[vik.casar]

Here is the save with fow toggled before i started hunting down rebels (still in progress) http://uploaded.to/file/e8fwoe
There is a nice cluster of armies in Mrogbonna - indeed, Diazenis, the scripted defender for that region is the first and only army to move during rebels turn before ctd. Removing these armies using auto_win didnt help.
There are two cities under siege: in Satagydia by Bactria and Rhaetia by SPQR

also: its 1.2 with all perm fixes, FD and no other minimods

edit: i killed all rebel armies but one (AS kills them their turn). With script activated, Diazenis spawns in Mrogbonna and is once agian the only one to move. Without the script, the screen centers on the city in Rhaetia which is now under Roman control (failed sally?).
Here is the save, if you wont activate the script, you might see the problem: http://uploaded.to/file/khb2c5

and another edit: i evicted romans and germans from rhaetia and bribed the city. The CTD has now moved to Noricum. Couldnt bribe that one, so i spawned elephants to assault the city. After that, the CTD moved to Homna in Maketa. So i bribed that one as well. Guess what... no, it didnt help... I swear so soon as age will permit I will use fire and steel to arrest the destiny of the Eleutheroi.
Please help, this is getting ridiculous.

thanks

[sinner]

how does one actually download anything from Uupload, all I get is a count down and then nothing.

[vik.casar]

Click "free download" after countdown.

hope axi works better
http://www.axifile.com/?3656212
http://www.axifile.com/?4575430

[sinner]

dowloaded the save, but havent had time to really test on it yet, with all the work and holiday preparations, will get around for it after new year's eve.

[sinner]

After some extensive testing, I have been able to pinpoint the cause of the CTD to an INVISBLE eleutheroie navy in the channel between the Red sea and the mediterranean, under the command of an Admiral Faram. Engagig the fleet and defeating it results in an instant CTD as it is disbanding, and the problem is you cannot bribe navies so you cant disband it yourself; I relocated the fleet to the enclosed lake on the upper eastern map, where it is unlikely to engage in battle, I also removed any other eleutheroie navies in that area, since I believe it also crashes when it tries to merge with another fleet. Idealy you should be able to continue your campaign, you only need to check the lake every turn and remove any other spawned eleutheroie navies.

here are the links to the save *First and Second.

[vik.casar]

Thanks a lot, works fine so far. Hunting down an invisible rebel navy sounds pretty annoying.
I dont have any balloons on me right now, here, have this smiley-shaped cookie.

thanks again