Nick Griffin - Enemy of Britain?

[Guy]

I apologise if such a thread has been created before; however, I didn't see it within the top posts, so I thought I'd start one.

What can I say? There's all this about giving everyone their right to free speech (which I'm sure will be repeated abundantly throughout this thread), and I'm all for it. But the BNP? Honestly? Surely, as a dignified society, we shouldn't allow an organisation that practically wants to abolish freedom for those who aren't innately "indigenous", to be able to have their own freedom... I sound as if I'm coming across somewhat ironically, but should there be a limit to what we should and shouldn't allow in terms of freedom of speech? I personally have many friends who wouldn't be deemed "indigenous" by Griffin and co., and so I'm naturally biased towards the decline of the BNP; you might not be, and it's your right as a human being to express your viewpoint. I suppose I'm not going to reach a resolve on the matter, but it should certainly provide some controversial entertainment.

The BNP have simply rebranded their party to come across to the voters as "not racist" and "for democracy". It's quite clear, not just to England, but to the rest of the world that the BNP are infact Fascists and basically want to rid Britain of anything that's not British. May I remind you, Great Britain was built by all races and is a land of the free.

Now Nick Griffin has different opinions. He once was, and still is without doubt, a holocaust denier and a racist. He openly admitted how he wants a pure white britain and get rid of the Black, Asain and any other sort of race except British in the country which will destroy Britain. He is more popular with the population who choose to simply sit on their bums all day claiming the dole yet they complain about how foreigners get jobs in England. Maybe if they got up off their bums, got some good grades and made something of their life, they'd achieve something!

Now I ask you Britain and the world: is this morally correct?

[KingOfTheIsles]

No he isn't. He's just a fat little nazi nobody who gets far too much attention and air-time. Now obviously the mainstream parties love the annual bash-the-fascist season because it deflects criticism from themselves, but there are more important issues than if some chubby little loser and his gang of skinheads think brown people are simply awful. Whilst we're all doing our self-righteous anti-fa schtick, Labour and the Tories are still peddling the tired, old class-politics and cheap vote-winning policies that they've been doing for the past 10 years. That's the real issue affecting Britain these days, the BNP will never get near number 10 so why worry about them.

[Syron]

Perhaps we should ban Communists instead…….

But the BNP? Honestly? Surely, as a dignified society, we shouldn't allow an organisation that practically wants to abolish freedom for those who aren't innately "indigenous", to be able to have their own freedom...

and so I'm naturally biased towards the decline of the BNP; you might not be, and it's your right as a human being to express your viewpoint.

But they can’t vote for people they agree with eh?

Who decides what can and cannot be said? Government?

The BNP at least have never ever so much as claimed they will disallow anyone to vote for who they want. But then you’re a Communist, what a surprise that despite all your attacks at the BNP saying they hate democracy (get real, the BNP is about the most democratic party in Britain, all members get a vote on all major issues), you care little for it in practice anyway.

And secondly what freedoms do the BNP wish to abolish might I ask?

Great Britain was built by all races and is a land of the free.

I think you are getting confused with America.

Now Nick Griffin has different opinions.

Yes, and that’s what democracy is supposedly about. An end must be put to “liberal democracy” that seeks to ignore the “inconvenient” views of the many to pursue it’s own agenda.

He is more popular with the population who choose to simply sit on their bums all day claiming the dole yet they complain about how foreigners get jobs in England. Maybe if they got up off their bums, got some good grades and made something of their life, they'd achieve something!

Except the huge flaw in this theory is that said people tend not to vote! They have the lowest participation rates of all sections of society and if they do vote it tends to be for Labour because they get more dole money!

So who are the people that are actually voting for the BNP? In fact the detailed poll breakdowns from good pollsters like Yougov tend to show the BNP have very similar social make-up to UKIP. Also I know a few BNP candidates who either have or are studying for degrees……

But nice to see you base your political ideas on utter nonsense.

[Phier]

Perhaps we should ban Communists instead…….

True, they killed more than the fascists after all

[I Am Herenow]

There is no point banning the BNP, as those people who currently support it will retain their racist attitudes and simply be driven underground if the party were to be banned. Instead, people should be educated and shown reason when it comes to race relations, so as the threat from the BNP might remain negligible.

It's quite clear, not just to England, but to the rest of the world that the BNP are infact Fascists and basically want to rid Britain of anything that's not British.

If this is quite clear, may I point out, then there is no need to ban the BNP as people will not vote for them anyway.

the BNP is about the most democratic party in Britain

If we define "democracy" as "power to the people", then a party which did not allow non-whites a say in its affairs until it was forced to by a court decision; which, hence, did not give all people power; cannot possibly be deemed democratic.

I Am Herenow

[Guy]

Perhaps we should ban Communists instead…….

But they can’t vote for people they agree with eh?

Who decides what can and cannot be said? Government?

The BNP at least have never ever so much as claimed they will disallow anyone to vote for who they want. But then you’re a Communist, what a surprise that despite all your attacks at the BNP saying they hate democracy (get real, the BNP is about the most democratic party in Britain, all members get a vote on all major issues), you care little for it in practice anyway.

And secondly what freedoms do the BNP wish to abolish might I ask?







I think you are getting confused with America.




Yes, and that’s what democracy is supposedly about. An end must be put to “liberal democracy” that seeks to ignore the “inconvenient” views of the many to pursue it’s own agenda.




Except the huge flaw in this theory is that said people tend not to vote! They have the lowest participation rates of all sections of society and if they do vote it tends to be for Labour because they get more dole money!

So who are the people that are actually voting for the BNP? In fact the detailed poll breakdowns from good pollsters like Yougov tend to show the BNP have very similar social make-up to UKIP. Also I know a few BNP candidates who either have or are studying for degrees……

But nice to see you base your political ideas on utter nonsense.

Aww, don't ban me! I give equality and communities throughout the world. Do you like cookies?

Well, as to the point of who built Britain, did the Africans who were cruely enslaved by the English not help make the landowners richer? Did that then not allow trade which was vital in the growth of England to increase? Were the Africans who were brought to England as slaves to work not builders of our country (that's made in a literal sense too, the builders part that is)?

"they get more dole money!"
Plus reputation for that, so true!
Do you think that I believe that people who sit on their bums all day watching Jeremy Kyle and drinking litre upon litre of Coke should get money? Communism, although the wage issue is brought up, pays its people for the work it does. It's based upon a circle which flows, in theory, quite nicely.

Alot of BNP voters tend to be of the working class, ironically, which is what links the two opposites together. Racism is like superstition I believe though. Superstition is linked to the working class, uneducated minority. If something is not right, such as the BNP's belief that the amount of foreigners in our country is ridiculous, which itself is ridiculous in my opinion, then people start to believe that only one type of race should be allowed a certain land. They're not aware that we share this world. Like superstition, people believe that doing x isn't right so they should stop doing it. Quite an awkward contrast I've picked there.

True, they killed more than the fascists after all

That's just a typical anti-Communist generalisation. A generalisation which is made upon the lack of knowledge towards what communism, yes I did just use the C word ladies and gentlemen, actually is. Stalinism, Maoism and other terrible forms of, what once was communism, killed those people. Heck, I hate Stalin!

I think that people should understand what Communism actually is before posting, pure Communism I mean. Just because it's failed due to civil and leadership reasons in other countries, it's stereotyped by other people as to being a monster, which of course, it isn't.

[Poach]

I think you are getting confused with America.

Because you guys totally paved the way for freedom by granting all races equality the moment you became a country.

As for the BNP, I don't much care about them. They've only become so popular because, as mentioned, the habitually unemployed types need a scapegoat for the recession. Once the recession passes and jobs start coming back they'll go back to being a fringe party.

[removeduser_487563287433]

I apologise if such a thread has been created before; however, I didn't see it within the top posts, so I thought I'd start one.

What can I say? There's all this about giving everyone their right to free speech (which I'm sure will be repeated abundantly throughout this thread), and I'm all for it. But the BNP? Honestly? Surely, as a dignified society, we shouldn't allow an organisation that practically wants to abolish freedom for those who aren't innately "indigenous", to be able to have their own freedom... I sound as if I'm coming across somewhat ironically, but should there be a limit to what we should and shouldn't allow in terms of freedom of speech? I personally have many friends who wouldn't be deemed "indigenous" by Griffin and co., and so I'm naturally biased towards the decline of the BNP; you might not be, and it's your right as a human being to express your viewpoint. I suppose I'm not going to reach a resolve on the matter, but it should certainly provide some controversial entertainment.

The BNP have simply rebranded their party to come across to the voters as "not racist" and "for democracy". It's quite clear, not just to England, but to the rest of the world that the BNP are infact Fascists and basically want to rid Britain of anything that's not British. May I remind you, Great Britain was built by all races and is a land of the free.

Now Nick Griffin has different opinions. He once was, and still is without doubt, a holocaust denier and a racist. He openly admitted how he wants a pure white britain and get rid of the Black, Asain and any other sort of race except British in the country which will destroy Britain. He is more popular with the population who choose to simply sit on their bums all day claiming the dole yet they complain about how foreigners get jobs in England. Maybe if they got up off their bums, got some good grades and made something of their life, they'd achieve something!

Now I ask you Britain and the world: is this morally correct?

Well it would be wrong and counterproductive to actually ban the BNP.

[justicar5]

Well it would be wrong and counterproductive to actually ban the BNP.

agreed, tho the attempt to make them admit minorities did make me laugh.

[Denny Crane!]

His views are despicable. Yet I find the propagation of policies that do immense harm to the country and lead to REAL suffering more despicable. At the minute these guys in the BNP are populist tools (take that every which way you can make it fit) but not creating a great deal of actual harm. The government locking people up for victimless crimes and creating crime through drug laws is creating real pain and suffering so while I amuse myself with the BNP and ridicule I prefer targeting the ones locking people up, perpetuating burglary and other crime up to and including human trafficking and the rape and torture of people through their insane power grubbing pandering policies.

I do love this ideological fervour people work up against the BNP, I just think it is a shame the fervour isn't directed towards real problems as opposed to jokers who should merely be ridiculed as the best form of defense and as an occasional pastime.

[justicar5]

His views are despicable. Yet I find the propagation of policies that do immense harm to the country and lead to REAL suffering more despicable. At the minute these guys in the BNP are populist tools (take that every which way you can make it fit) but not creating a great deal of actual harm. The government locking people up for victimless crimes and creating crime through drug laws is creating real pain and suffering so while I amuse myself with the BNP and ridicule I prefer targeting the ones locking people up, perpetuating burglary and other crime up to and including human trafficking and the rape and torture of people through their insane power grubbing pandering policies.

I do love this ideological fervour people work up against the BNP, I just think it is a shame the fervour isn't directed towards real problems as opposed to jokers who should merely be ridiculed as the best form of defense and as an occasional pastime.

I agree, if we could get the degree of energy directed against the bnp and redirect it into political debate in general. Debate about what direction the country should be heading, not who would make the best driver while offering no alternate destinations, debate about what actually matters to people, how to takle crime while looking at all the alteratives not just who would make prisons the harshest and sentences the longest. I hope you get the idea.