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Siberian/Native American Y-DNA haplogroup in ethnic Norwegians and Icelandic people
Y-DNA Haplogroup Q is mostly found in east Siberians and North Americans and almost totally absent from all European populations except in ethnic Norwegians 5% and Icelandic people at 11%
migration of Haplogroup Q
Norwegian man 1860
Unmistakingly Nordic but with a few pan-eurasian features wich seem similar to certain Amerindians.
haplogroup Q is also absent in Sami, Finnic people and Northwest Russians
How did it get to Scandinavia, an ancient undocumented migration pherhaps?
Last edited by Pallantides; December 03, 2009 at 11:48 PM.
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Re: Siberian/Native American Y-DNA haplogroup in ethnic Norwegians and Icelandic people
Scandinavians are weirdos, i get it.
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Re: Siberian/Native American Y-DNA haplogroup in ethnic Norwegians and Icelandic people
Very interesting, the haplogroup probably arrived due to a Siberian migration into Scandinavia 1,00s of years ago. It's amazing how people are connected!
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Re: Siberian/Native American Y-DNA haplogroup in ethnic Norwegians and Icelandic people
Though I still find a bit odd that it's absent in the Sami and Finnish people.
it's not in Sweden and Denmark only NorwayOriginally Posted by Del Valle
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Re: Siberian/Native American Y-DNA haplogroup in ethnic Norwegians and Icelandic people
Well, the Norwegian and Icelandic peoples are Indo-European, they came from the East. Perhaps that is where the admixture took place and there wasn't a Migration into Scandanavia. Now that I think about it, that seems the most likely explanation.Though I still find a bit odd that it's absent in the Sami and Finnish people.
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Re: Siberian/Native American Y-DNA haplogroup in ethnic Norwegians and Icelandic people
Probably, but why is the frequency so high compared to that in other Indo-European populations of Europe?
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I'm not sure, but it could be because they're so far north, closer to Siberia, which would make admixture with Siberian groups a more likely occurance.
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Re: Siberian/Native American Y-DNA haplogroup in ethnic Norwegians and Icelandic people
What's the difference?it's not in Sweden and Denmark only Norway
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Y-DNA Haplogroup Q is not found in Sweden or Denmark, whereas it is his as high as 5% in ethnic Norwegians and 11% in Icelandic people.What's the difference?
Then again it's absent in Sweden and North Western Russia, very puzzeling and confusing this is.
Last edited by Pallantides; December 03, 2009 at 06:49 PM.
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Seems like this would be better suited for the Athenaeum.
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As are many things in the history of human migrations.Then again it's absent in Sweden and North Western Russia, very puzzeling and confusing this is.
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Re: Siberian/Native American Y-DNA haplogroup in ethnic Norwegians and Icelandic people
Perhaps it migrated from the OTHER direction.
Interaction with native Americans going from Greenland- Iceland - and back to Norway.
Its either that or a founder effect from Norway which got amplified in Iceland.
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Hmm, I hadn't thought of that. But have enough Inuit emigrated from Greenland to Norway to effect the genepool that much? I think the founder affect was amplified in Iceland, either that or Greenland natives have intermingled with the population somewhat.
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If there were MtDNA I'd think it quite plausible that Norwegian settlers took Inuit wives, and this is verified in part due to there being European DNA found in northern Canadian tribes before the time of Columbus.
I do think it would be less likely that Inuit males would have Norwegian settlers as wives, and also less likely that these children would return to Europe.
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Im going to try refrain from comment patriotic slur, but that is someed up shite!
Norway is pretty longstretched. As west as Brussel, and as east as Istanbul. If you hold your finger on the southern borders and tip it -- then you end up in italy. So is there any way of knowing which distrikt has this DNA? We have veeeeery isolated districts which distinkt dialekt even I could not understand.
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Re: Siberian/Native American Y-DNA haplogroup in ethnic Norwegians and Icelandic people
Genetics is
Anyway Haplogroup Q seem to absent in Sami and Kvens so I doubt it comes from that direction, what I want to find out is how it got to Norway and Iceland but is almost absent in all other places in Europe.
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Re: Siberian/Native American Y-DNA haplogroup in ethnic Norwegians and Icelandic people
As I said, this IS the result old migration and long isolated regions within mountains and fjords in this large country pr capita.
It seems as if the americas gene, is a subclass, Subclade Q1a3a (Q3):
http://m242.haplogroup.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_Q_(Y-DNA)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_Q1a3a_(Y-DNA)
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Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga- The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
http://imgur.com/a/DMm19
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Re: Siberian/Native American Y-DNA haplogroup in ethnic Norwegians and Icelandic people
Hey!Im going to try refrain from comment patriotic slur, but that is some
Norway is pretty longstretched. As west as Brussel, and as east as Istanbul. If you hold your finger on the southern borders and tip it -- then you end up in italy. So is there any way of knowing which distrikt has this DNA? We have veeeeery isolated districts which distinkt dialekt even I could not understand.
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I read about Native American genes in Iceland, in a Norwegian sience magasine some weeks ago, this may be it.
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Just throwing out a wild card here: The lost colonys?
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Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga- The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
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