Ukraine academic: Israel imported 25,000 kids for their organs

[Valentin the II]

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As a Ukrainian citizen, let me say that I am ashamed. I knew Ukraine had anti-semites, but good lord! No wonder all the Jews there (including my family) emigrated to Israel.
Oh and I love this little gem:

"The letter, sent to Ukrainian leaders last month, articulated fear of a new "wave of anti-Semitism in the Ukraine that has come to a peak with the authorization of Ratushnyak, the current mayor of Uzhgorod, to run for president." In his mayoral campaign Ratushnyak blamed the Holocaust on the Jews, saying they stole German property, and warned of the same thing happening in Ukraine."

[Dr. Croccer]

Well, what can you expect? They're Slavs, after all. Anti-Semitism seems to be engrained in Eastern European culture. They ought to be civilised in one way or another.

[Dr. Croccer]

not much than in Western culture

I think that you'll find that Slavs committed more pogroms and longer than, say, the Romance countries.

Naturally the Holocaust will be brought up, but let's not forget that many of the killings were committed by locals who happily agreed to massacre Jews. Many, perhaps most, of the guards at camps like Sobibor were Ukainians.

Yeah...That's why Germany, Austria, Netherlands and Sweden boast the highest rates of anti-Semitic violence in Europe:

Germany, that is. Slavs are hardly far behind. The differen ce is that it's considerably more accepted and open in Eastern Europe than here.

Antisemitism is one of the most common expressions of xenophobia in Russia in recent years, even among some groups of politicians [2]. Despite stipulations against fomenting hatred based on ethnic or religious grounds (Article 282 of Russian Federation Penal Code),[46] antisemitic pronouncements, speeches and articles are not uncommon in Russia, and there are a large number of antisemitic neo-Nazi groups in the republics of the former Soviet Union, leading Pravda to declare in 2002 that "Anti-Semitism is booming in Russia".[47] Over the past few years there have also been bombs attached to antisemitic signs, apparently aimed at Jews, and other violent incidents,
The government of Vladimir Putin takes an official stand against antisemitism, while some movements parties and groups are explicitly antisemitic. In January 2005, a group of 15 Duma members demanded that Judaism and Jewish organizations be banned from Russia.[48] In June, 500 prominent Russians, including some 20 members of the nationalist Rodina party, demanded that the state prosecutor investigate ancient Jewish texts as "anti-Russian" and ban Judaism. An investigation was in fact launched, but halted after an international outcry.[49][50]
In Russia, both historical and contemporary antisemitic materials are frequently published. For example a set (called Library of a Russian Patriot) consisting of twenty five antisemitic titles was recently published, including Mein Kampf translated to Russian (2002), The Myth of Holocaust by Jürgen Graf, a title by Douglas Reed, Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and others.
Antisemitic incidents have ranged from random acts of violence against Jews to the detonation of explosives in Jewish communities, to high-profile cases such as the stabbing of eight Russian Jews in a Moscow synagogue on January 11, 2006 by a man with neo-Nazi ties. See also: Pamyat, Neo-Nazism in Russia.

[Applesmack]

I think that you'll find that Slavs committed more pogroms and longer than, say, the Romance countries.

Naturally the Holocaust will be brought up, but let's not forget that many of the killings were committed by locals who happily agreed to massacre Jews. Many, perhaps most, of the guards at camps like Sobibor were Ukainians.

And were of course were strongly encouraged to do so by the Germans.....Infact, helping a Jew at all in Nazi occupied east Europe resulted in death while killing them resulted in rewards. Can you provide evidence for most guards at concentration camps being Ukrainians?

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

I think that you'll find that Slavs committed more pogroms and longer than, say, the Romance countries.

That's because the "West" had already booted all the Jews on the Middle Ages. No such thing happened with Eastern European countries, so of course there would be more pogroms across a longer timespan.

[Dr. Croccer]

That's because the "West" had already booted all the Jews on the Middle Ages. No such thing happened with Eastern European countries, so of course there would be more pogroms across a longer timespan.

Erm, no. There were plenty of Jews in the Netherlands, Flanders and France. I'm not sure you noticed yet either, but Jews were ''booted out'' in Eastern Europe as well. The only place they weren't constantly massacred was Poland and after that was divided Jews were confined to a Pale of settlement in the Russian Empire.

And were of course were strongly encouraged to do so by the Germans.....Infact, helping a Jew at all in Nazi occupied east Europe resulted in death while killing them resulted in rewards.

Yes and no. Helping to massacre Jews obviously made the Nazis like you but this doesn't mean that it was soley because of the Nazis. There are plenty of cases of Lithuanians and Ukrainians massacring Jews with little to no German involvement.

Can you provide evidence for most guards at concentration camps being Ukrainians?

I never said that. I said that in some camps, like Sobibor, many, perhaps most, of the guards were locals.

[Applesmack]

Yes and no. Helping to massacre Jews obviously made the Nazis like you but this doesn't mean that it was soley because of the Nazis. There are plenty of cases of Lithuanians and Ukrainians massacring Jews with little to no German involvement.

That means absolutely nothing. There would have been no massacres if the Germans did not come. They were the catalyst of the actions. The actions of individuals do not represent a society. Just to let you know, more Jews served in the Red Army more than any other Allied army (about 40% of all Jews that fought).

I never said that. I said that in some camps, like Sobibor, many, perhaps most, of the guards were locals.

I would still like a link about Sobibor.
Furthermore, many concentration camp guards from the Soviet Union only joined because of the appalling conditions they were held in POW camps. Of course, many did for simple hatred of the Jews but that doesn't change the fact that we can't tell one from another in this situation. Was it self-preservation that were guiding their actions or racism?

[Applesmack]

Germany, that is. Slavs are hardly far behind. The differen ce is that it's considerably more accepted and open in Eastern Europe than here.

Germany and Austria yes. With Sweden and Netherlands very high up there as well. I don't see anythign in your quoted article that says anti-Semitism is more accepted in East Europe. First of all, you only showed the situation in Russia. Second of all, how is it more accepted there when the government is completely against it? Show me evidence or even any credible historian who would say antisemitism is ingrained in East-European society.

[Dr. Croccer]

. I don't see anythign in your quoted article that says anti-Semitism is more accepted in East Europe. First of all, you only showed the situation in Russia. Second of all, how is it more accepted there when the government is completely against it? Show me evidence or even any credible historian who would say antisemitism is ingrained in East-European society.

How many political groups in the Netherlands have demanded the deportation of Jews?

[Applesmack]

How many political groups in the Netherlands have demanded the deportation of Jews?

I don't see how that in any way supports your position for the deportation should have been successful if society supported it. Furthermore, you have to ask yourself why the Party that suggested it no longer exists and was barred from participating in the vote (Rodina)

[4th Regiment]

Well, what can you expect? They're Slavs, after all. Anti-Semitism seems to be engrained in Eastern European culture. They ought to be civilised in one way or another.

Interesting “thesis”.

Well, I do not want to speak in name of the other Slavs, but Serbs are Slavs, right? Well, together with Greece, Serbia was only Euro nation where no pro-Nazi movement or party took serious roots in times when it was very cool and inn across Europe, during 30’ and 40’. Countless personal examples also, with one relatively famous – back warded small town Serb Slav family in late XIX have sent female child to study Technical University in far away city of Zurich. Back warded enough? Well, they also allowed that girl to marry a Jew who latter became the most famous scientist ever. Almost impossible thing in other not so back warded non-anti-Semitic nations in Europe of the time

[KaerMorhen]

do you know that biggest heroes (UPA) in ukrainian history are those who performed ethnic cleansing and did murder up to 150 000 of Polish women, children and elders in Galicja and Wołyń???

You must heard about Balkan Wars atrocities, do you??? - trust me this is nothing compared to what UPA did to Poles, Jews and Russians in Volhynia and Galicya in the summer of 1943

Massacres of Poles in Volhynia

Well, what can you expect? They're Slavs, after all. Anti-Semitism seems to be engrained in Eastern European culture.

not much than in Western culture

[Applesmack]

do you know that biggest heroes (UPA) in ukrainian history are those who performed ethnic cleansing and did murder up to 150 000 of Polish women, children and elders in Galicja and Wołyń???

You must heard about Balkan Wars atrocities, do you??? - trust me this is nothing compared to what UPA did to Poles, Jews and Russians in Volhynia and Galicya in the summer of 1943

Massacres of Poles in Volhynia

Biggest heroes in Ukrainian history? I strongly disagree.... I don't even think that most Western Ukrainians (only ones that see the UPA in a positive light) would agree with you...

Well, what can you expect? They're Slavs, after all. Anti-Semitism seems to be engrained in Eastern European culture. They ought to be civilised in one way or another.

Yeah...That's why Germany, Austria, Netherlands and Sweden boast the highest rates of anti-Semitic violence in Europe:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#Europe

[KaerMorhen]

Biggest heroes in Ukrainian history? I strongly disagree.... I don't even think that most Western Ukrainians (only ones that see the UPA in a positive light) would agree with you...

due to my work I have to go to Ukraine quite often and most of you called them western ukrainians I met belive UPA actions were not enough harsh and strong - funny thing is they refuse to admit UPA did ethinc cleansing and say it is commies propaganda. They pretend it was NKVD using UPA uniforms who massacred all those 150 000 people

[molonthegreat]

Yeah...That's why Germany, Austria, Netherlands and Sweden boast the highest rates of anti-Semitic violence in Europe:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#Europe

As you can see it says that Sweden has had high rate of antisemitism since 2000 and the reason for that is increased immigration from Islamic countries.

[The Devil's Sergeant]

Silly Europeans.

[Phier]

Silly Europeans.

I'm surprised we let them have guns and armies back after WWII. You would think we would have learned our lesson after two wars like that.

[Beregond]

due to my work I have to go to Ukraine quite often and most of you called them western ukrainians I met belive UPA actions were not enough harsh and strong - funny thing is they refuse to admit UPA did ethinc cleansing and say it is commies propaganda. They pretend it was NKVD using UPA uniforms who massacred all those 150 000 people

this is the politics of current Ukrainian president Yushchenko. Instead of uniting the nation together he just finds old contradictions and half-forgotten events and uses them to his advantage. Though they don't help him much... UPA's methods were cruel, they believed they were doing it for the sake of ukrainian nation and fought Germans and Communists as well.
I don't defend them, but the story of UPA is shrouded in myths and it's difficult to distinguish truth from KGB's and NKVD's fabricated documents

[The Devil's Sergeant]

An endearing and tragic quality of humanity is that every genation thinks of themselves as morally superior to all the generations before.

[Heathen Hammer]

Actually, anti-semitism was very common in western civilizations for quite a while. Here in Canada, 70 years ago, you couldn't become a doctor if you are Jewish. Slavs are in no way more anti-semitic than Germans or Anglo-Saxons are.