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    Default Has the Iranian Revolutionary Guard launched a coup de' etat?

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/223862

    Has the silent overthrow happened? Was that what the election rigging in April about (the Iranian government is never so blatant)?
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    Saw that guy's interview on the Daily Show. Was great.
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    what a story - impressed me deeply!

    not sure if it says much about the internal politics within Iran though ....
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    It does talk about the belief the Iranian Revolutionary Guard launched a coup, and that there is a fight internally between the Hardliners and Super Hardliners.
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    Default Re: Has the Iranian Revolutionary Guard launched a coup de' etat?

    So.... the bad guys are fighting the even more bad guys, in other words?

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    Great article but man I had to laugh about the whole "New Jersey Islam" and the image of a bunch of Iranians running around talking like the Sopranos or something....seriously article does bring up some interesting stuff. Much better then their Palin cover...

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    10 pages...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPirate View Post
    10 pages...
    If rupert murdoch has his way you're only gonna get half a page in future. Get it while you can brother.




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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPirate View Post
    10 pages...
    Its long but good.
    Besides the pages are short.
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    Default Re: Has the Iranian Revolutionary Guard launched a coup de' etat?

    read it, worth it
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    What's the coup de' tat thing about regarding the RG?
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    I would later discover that I had been picked up by the intelligence division of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, or IRGC. Before the June election, this unit of the Guards was little known; whenever journalists and intellectuals ran afoul of the authorities they were usually questioned by the official Ministry of Intelligence. But the IRGC, which reports directly to Khamenei, had been growing dramatically more powerful. Many suspect that the Guards rigged the election. Certainly they led the crackdown that followed.

    IRGC intel is now responsible for Iran's internal security, which means that its rampaging paranoias have suffused the regime. There remain players within the system who can make rational decisions about Iran's international interests; if there weren't, I would still be in jail. But the Guards are exacerbating the Islamic Republic's worst instincts, its insecurity and deep suspiciousness. As world powers try to engage Tehran to mitigate the threat of its nuclear program, it's critical that they understand this mindset and the role the IRGC now plays within the Iranian system. I learned all too much about both while in the Guards' hands.
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    I'd hate to break it to you...but paranoia and change in responsibilities does not equal a coup.
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    Default Re: Has the Iranian Revolutionary Guard launched a coup de' etat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    I'd hate to break it to you...but paranoia and change in responsibilities does not equal a coup.
    But engineering an election does though.

    I read this two days ago in the magazine and got that impression from reading it, but I could have misread it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Redleg Officer View Post
    But engineering an election does though.

    I read this two days ago in the magazine and got that impression from reading it, but I could have misread it.
    That's a non military coup if you insist on using that word instead of 'theft of election'. Military coups tend to be a lot more...let's use the word 'blunt'. Military coups tend to be a lot more blunt. And coups tend to want to wreck the government anyway, not merely take it over.
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    Default Re: Has the Iranian Revolutionary Guard launched a coup de' etat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    That's a non military coup if you insist on using that word instead of 'theft of election'. Military coups tend to be a lot more...let's use the word 'blunt'. Military coups tend to be a lot more blunt. And coups tend to want to wreck the government anyway, not merely take it over.
    Not all coups are military style take overs.
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    I'm fine with current Iranian regime, they've given blockaded Armenia gas routes and they seem to have tensions with Azerbaijan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    I'm fine with current Iranian regime, they've given blockaded Armenia gas routes and they seem to have tensions with Azerbaijan.
    Yeah, as long as they support Armenia they can do no wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    Yeah, as long as they support Armenia they can do no wrong.
    I know it sounds arrogant, but Armenia after all is blockaded by two of its neighbors and economic and political situation is unstable; it can use all the help it can get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    I know it sounds arrogant, but Armenia after all is blockaded by two of its neighbors and economic and political situation is unstable; it can use all the help it can get.
    Iran is just looking for a way to destabilize its neighbor. I truly doubt Iran is offering aid to a Christian insurgency out of kindness.
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