Research needed on movement points!

[Myshkin]

Hi guys,

I am trying to optimise a little bit vanilla TATW. My grand-mother used to say if you want something done, do it yourself. Hence, instead of proposing stuff and flaming modders for not doing it, I tried to do them myself.

Unfortunately, I am not that good. My lore basically sucks, I have seen the movies... -Oh yeah, so what?- So, I got to rely on you helping me.

1. What do distance do you think a unit can travel within 6 months (or a turn) riding a horse on TATW map?

2. What do distance do you think a unit can travel within 6 months (or a turn) walking on foot on TATW map?

3. What do distance do you think a ship can sail within 6 months (or a turn) on TATW map?

4. Using a scale of 1 to 10 to mark their speed (1=slowest, 10=fastest), could you please give me numbers for the following units?

• General
• Infantry
• Cavarly
• Ship
• Diplomat
• Spy
• Assassin
• Artillery

5. Could you please tell for which of the above mentioned units would you like to see movement changes? If yes, can you quantify them?

Any other help or advice you may have is very welcome. I have done a start which you can find here, but it's nothing big yet! I hope, we can rework the whole movement concept together!

Thanks,
Mysh

[Myshkin]

I voted for yes, but it can be improved.

[Valiant Champion]

Artillery should not slow an army down as they would normally only carry the metal components and construct the frames of the weapons on site unless they are ballistas which are light enough to be transported without slowing an army down.

[Protestant Knight]

Artillery should not slow an army down as they would normally only carry the metal components and construct the frames of the weapons on site unless they are ballistas which are light enough to be transported without slowing an army down.

I agree with Valiant Champion on artillery

• General 9
• Infantry 6
• Cavarly 8
• Ship 9
• Diplomat 7
• Spy 7
• Assassin 7
• Artillery 6

[Myshkin]

I agree with Valiant Champion on artillery

• General 9
• Infantry 6
• Cavarly 8
• Ship 9
• Diplomat 7
• Spy 7
• Assassin 7
• Artillery 6

Hey, are you sure you want all agents to move slower than cavarly? In my opinion these guys actually do ride horses and they are trained -and paied- to deliver their King's commands as soon as possible. In reality these guys often gad some of the fastest horses.

In my opinion a single agents should have been definitely more mobile than a hole regiment of cavarly.

Also although a ship (at peak ~35mph) is not faster than a horse (at peak ~40mph) a ship can move day and night, while a horse cannot. Most of the time the ship and the horse will travel long distances with average speed of ~20mph, but since the ship can move day and night, I have given to it double movement points.

There are other factors, which cancel out, horse speed is subjective to the terrain (uphill, downhill, assuming there is a road), while a ship is subjective to the wind.

Also shall we give more movement points to generals comparing to captains?

[Protestant Knight]

Hey, are you sure you want all agents to move slower than cavarly? In my opinion these guys actually do ride horses and they are trained -and paied- to deliver their King's commands as soon as possible. In reality these guys often gad some of the fastest horses.

In my opinion a single agents should have been definitely more mobile than a hole regiment of cavarly.

Also although a ship (at peak ~35mph) is not faster than a horse (at peak ~40mph) a ship can move day and night, while a horse cannot. Most of the time the ship and the horse will travel long distances with average speed of ~20mph, but since the ship can move day and night, I have given to it double movement points.

There are other factors, which cancel out, horse speed is subjective to the terrain (uphill, downhill, assuming there is a road), while a ship is subjective to the wind.

Also shall we give more movement points to generals comparing to captains?

My bad I was not thinking about that I do agree with you on the agents but I like everthing else

[Myshkin]

Ah artillery! I did not even think of adding this. Thanks, I will add it on the list.

[Seleukos_I.]

I voted yes because you can't really present the movement realistic/gameplay wise in TW.

[Myshkin]

I voted yes because you can't really present the movement realistic/gameplay wise in TW.

Fair enough. Thanks for voting!

It is not though, a matter of realism, but strictly a gameplay issue. For example, in my opinion diplomats should have been way faster, which would make diplomatic relations more active and could potentialy stir things up...

[Seleukos_I.]

Well I don't have a problem if Diplomats get more movement points. But I'm against increasing them for armies.

[Loomx]

Artillery should be the same as a normal army and ships should be like 40% faster or something, everything else is fine

[Beregond]

Increase a bit for Diplomats

[Myshkin]

Well I've increased the diplomats from 120 to 200 (like spies) and doubled the movement points for ships (from 120 to 240). Do you think its too much?

I like this suggestion about sieging weapons, some people seem to like it (2 so far). What do the others think about it?

[paganmetal3r]

I think movement points should be increased generally, especially cavalry. The idea with diplomats is nice

[Myshkin]

Nice mate. If you could be a little bit more specific, it would have been great!

I got a pm from a good mate, who suggested to renable merchants. What does the community think on this? Another on the sub-mod section asked to disable assassins, what do you guys think?

Another issue is are you satisfied with the crusades movement bonus? I have moded the siege equipment and it now moves like infantry. Is this what most people wish?

[Cartman]

i voted no..all agents and ships should have their movement increased alot, and slight amount for armies i think..good poll btw, was actually just looking for a thread about movement

[paganmetal3r]

IMO Merchants don't fit into TA but I dont doubt that there are merchants in Middle-Earth

[Old Hickory]

If it's realism you are after, I don't think the problem is the movement points. It seems to me like the movement points are good the way they are for gameplay, but in order to make it realistic one turn would need to represent only a few weeks or so.

[Ellin Athinaios]

Where can I change the movement points of artillery?

[Myshkin]

Your answer is here:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...ovement+Points

HTH

Ships and diplomats have already received boost at their movement points, diplomats have the same with spies and ships can now travel double the distance. Is anyone in favour of re-enabling merchants or disabling assassins?