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    Default The true significance of Climategate (Telegraph)

    I've bolded the most important points:

    Climate change: this is the worst scientific scandal of our generation

    A week after my colleague James Delingpole , on his Telegraph blog, coined the term "Climategate" to describe the scandal revealed by the leaked emails from the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit, Google was showing that the word now appears across the internet more than nine million times. But in all these acres of electronic coverage, one hugely relevant point about these thousands of documents has largely been missed.

    The reason why even the Guardian's George Monbiot has expressed total shock and dismay at the picture revealed by the documents is that their authors are not just any old bunch of academics. Their importance cannot be overestimated, What we are looking at here is the small group of scientists who have for years been more influential in driving the worldwide alarm over global warming than any others, not least through the role they play at the heart of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

    Professor Philip Jones, the CRU's director, is in charge of the two key sets of data used by the IPCC to draw up its reports. Through its link to the Hadley Centre, part of the UK Met Office, which selects most of the IPCC's key scientific contributors, his global temperature record is the most important of the four sets of temperature data on which the IPCC and governments rely – not least for their predictions that the world will warm to catastrophic levels unless trillions of dollars are spent to avert it.

    Dr Jones is also a key part of the closely knit group of American and British scientists responsible for promoting that picture of world temperatures conveyed by Michael Mann's "hockey stick" graph which 10 years ago turned climate history on its head by showing that, after 1,000 years of decline, global temperatures have recently shot up to their highest level in recorded history.

    Given star billing by the IPCC, not least for the way it appeared to eliminate the long-accepted Mediaeval Warm Period when temperatures were higher they are today, the graph became the central icon of the entire man-made global warming movement.


    Since 2003, however, when the statistical methods used to create the "hockey stick" were first exposed as fundamentally flawed by an expert Canadian statistician Steve McIntyre , an increasingly heated battle has been raging between Mann's supporters, calling themselves "the Hockey Team", and McIntyre and his own allies, as they have ever more devastatingly called into question the entire statistical basis on which the IPCC and CRU construct their case.

    The senders and recipients of the leaked CRU emails constitute a cast list of the IPCC's scientific elite, including not just the "Hockey Team", such as Dr Mann himself, Dr Jones and his CRU colleague Keith Briffa, but Ben Santer, responsible for a highly controversial rewriting of key passages in the IPCC's 1995 report; Kevin Trenberth, who similarly controversially pushed the IPCC into scaremongering over hurricane activity; and Gavin Schmidt, right-hand man to Al Gore's ally Dr James Hansen, whose own GISS record of surface temperature data is second in importance only to that of the CRU itself.

    There are three threads in particular in the leaked documents which have sent a shock wave through informed observers across the world. Perhaps the most obvious, as lucidly put together by Willis Eschenbach (see McIntyre's blog Climate Audit and Anthony Watt's blog Watts Up With That ), is the highly disturbing series of emails which show how Dr Jones and his colleagues have for years been discussing the devious tactics whereby they could avoid releasing their data to outsiders under freedom of information laws.

    They have come up with every possible excuse for concealing the background data on which their findings and temperature records were based.

    This in itself has become a major scandal, not least Dr Jones's refusal to release the basic data from which the CRU derives its hugely influential temperature record, which culminated last summer in his startling claim that much of the data from all over the world had simply got "lost". Most incriminating of all are the emails in which scientists are advised to delete large chunks of data, which, when this is done after receipt of a freedom of information request, is a criminal offence.

    But the question which inevitably arises from this systematic refusal to release their data is – what is it that these scientists seem so anxious to hide? The second and most shocking revelation of the leaked documents is how they show the scientists trying to manipulate data through their tortuous computer programmes, always to point in only the one desired direction – to lower past temperatures and to "adjust" recent temperatures upwards, in order to convey the impression of an accelerated warming. This comes up so often (not least in the documents relating to computer data in the Harry Read Me file) that it becomes the most disturbing single element of the entire story. This is what Mr McIntyre caught Dr Hansen doing with his GISS temperature record last year (after which Hansen was forced to revise his record), and two further shocking examples have now come to light from Australia and New Zealand.

    In each of these countries it has been possible for local scientists to compare the official temperature record with the original data on which it was supposedly based. In each case it is clear that the same trick has been played – to turn an essentially flat temperature chart into a graph which shows temperatures steadily rising. And in each case this manipulation was carried out under the influence of the CRU.

    What is tragically evident from the Harry Read Me file is the picture it gives of the CRU scientists hopelessly at sea with the complex computer programmes they had devised to contort their data in the approved direction, more than once expressing their own desperation at how difficult it was to get the desired results.

    The third shocking revelation of these documents is the ruthless way in which these academics have been determined to silence any expert questioning of the findings they have arrived at by such dubious methods – not just by refusing to disclose their basic data but by discrediting and freezing out any scientific journal which dares to publish their critics' work. It seems they are prepared to stop at nothing to stifle scientific debate in this way, not least by ensuring that no dissenting research should find its way into the pages of IPCC reports.

    Back in 2006, when the eminent US statistician Professor Edward Wegman produced an expert report for the US Congress vindicating Steve McIntyre's demolition of the "hockey stick", he excoriated the way in which this same "tightly knit group" of academics seemed only too keen to collaborate with each other and to "peer review" each other's papers in order to dominate the findings of those IPCC reports on which much of the future of the US and world economy may hang. In light of the latest revelations, it now seems even more evident that these men have been failing to uphold those principles which lie at the heart of genuine scientific enquiry and debate. Already one respected US climate scientist, Dr Eduardo Zorita, has called for Dr Mann and Dr Jones to be barred from any further participation in the IPCC. Even our own George Monbiot, horrified at finding how he has been betrayed by the supposed experts he has been revering and citing for so long, has called for Dr Jones to step down as head of the CRU.

    The former Chancellor Lord (Nigel) Lawson, last week launching his new think tank, the Global Warming Policy Foundation , rightly called for a proper independent inquiry into the maze of skulduggery revealed by the CRU leaks. But the inquiry mooted on Friday, possibly to be chaired by Lord Rees, President of the Royal Society – itself long a shameless propagandist for the warmist cause – is far from being what Lord Lawson had in mind. Our hopelessly compromised scientific establishment cannot be allowed to get away with a whitewash of what has become the greatest scientific scandal of our age.


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    Other than the fact that the data was lost in an office move long before FOIA rquests were made, I've got to say that if even a quarter(hell less...let's go with just one) of the implications above were true the scientific community should dump them out on their asses. The fall would be long, hard, painful, and glorious to watch.
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    this same "tightly knit group" of academics seemed only too keen to collaborate with each other and to "peer review" each other's papers in order to dominate the findings of those IPCC reports

    The name we used for this was incestuous review back in my research days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    this same "tightly knit group" of academics seemed only too keen to collaborate with each other and to "peer review" each other's papers in order to dominate the findings of those IPCC reports

    The name we used for this was incestuous review back in my research days.
    I think this thread got ignored b/c people just don't care tbh. I know i should do more to better my environment, but I'm skeptical about the whole "global warming" thing. Why is it now "Global Climate Change". OH the warming part didn't scare people......And EVEN if the climate did change drastically... who cares? Who cares if polar bears go extinct? Will it be the end of the world? No. Will life cease to exist because some species get wiped out? errr... no its called Evolution 99.9% of the species of animal are extinct... Sure it could cause problems for coastal cities... but all this fuss? plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    this same "tightly knit group" of academics seemed only too keen to collaborate with each other and to "peer review" each other's papers in order to dominate the findings of those IPCC reports

    The name we used for this was incestuous review back in my research days.
    The "anti-warmers" have done exactly the same thing.

    I question the validity of this article, but even if it is true, the more credible organizations are independent and not compromised by this.

    One thing I am wondering though...what is the motive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The spartan View Post
    The "anti-warmers" have done exactly the same thing.

    I question the validity of this article, but even if it is true, the more credible organizations are independent and not compromised by this.

    Not to say you haven't read the literature, but who really is a wheather expert, and had actually read these dense (boring) articles, essays, etc? I just don't understand how anyone can PREDICT whether or climate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WrathofTulkas View Post
    Not to say you haven't read the literature, but who really is a wheather expert, and had actually read these dense (boring) articles, essays, etc? I just don't understand how anyone can PREDICT whether or climate.
    Hence why you are not a climatologist. Weather is much more difficult to predict, because it is short term, but trends can leave evidence to how climate can be affected and changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The spartan View Post
    Hence why you are not a climatologist. Weather is much more difficult to predict, because it is short term, but trends can leave evidence to how climate can be affected and changed.
    Oh heck no climate is much too boring! Biology is far more fascinating But is there really "proof" that people can predict climate change? I find it very hard to believe tbh. Even if hundreds, even thousands of experiments have been done... they're all theories (and all can be disproved). I just have this nagging feeling that "climate" is not something like physics or biology were we actually have a firm understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The spartan View Post
    I question the validity of this article, but even if it is true, the more credible organizations are independent and not compromised by this.
    You missed the significance of this whole article: there aren't any 'more credible organizations' that are 'independent'. What IPCC says is the standard 'world' (i.e. European) stance on global warming. And the IPCC for the last 15-20 years has been dominated by a small group of highly trusted scientists providing it with the data and scientific opinion, led by the CRU of East Anglia, 'peer reviewing' each other's papers. What has appeared is that they've been lying all along.

    Read the article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SigniferOne View Post
    You missed the significance of this whole article: there aren't any 'more credible organizations' that are 'independent'. What IPCC says is the standard 'world' (i.e. European) stance on global warming. And the IPCC for the last 15-20 years has been dominated by a small group of highly trusted scientists providing it with the data and scientific opinion, led by the CRU of East Anglia, 'peer reviewing' each other's papers. What has appeared is that they've been lying all along.

    Read the article.
    And NAS and AAAS are chopped liver? What about USCAP? I have yet to seem them retract any of their statements. To say that all of the data is fabricated is a cry of conspiracy to the HIGHEST degree.
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    Why would a british newspaper use the phrase "trillions of dollars," instead of pounds or euros?

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    Why wouldn't it use dollars?

    Man, this climate scandal thing is turning out to be pretty big, interesting to see how things play out. I wonder who'll take over running the show if these guys get the boot.
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    I love how this explosive thread gets ignored.


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    Conspiracy theorists unite!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    Conspiracy theorists unite!
    Now that the science is shaky enough that even a non-scientist should be given pause, we resort to ridicule do we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    Now that the science is shaky enough that even a non-scientist should be given pause, we resort to ridicule do we?
    If you go over what I've posted in other threads and actually read it you'll find that I support going over their research and confirming it's legitimacy via peer review. Read that five more times before you go further. I want to make sure you understand that. If that isn't enough, my preferred solution(as of yet unsaid on forum as it hasn't come up) is for the government to hire other climatologists to go over their work and check it via raw data from the CRU's listed sources. My support for going over their work because there are indeed questionable circumstances does not mean I think there is a conspiracy. In the other thread, if you actually read my posts you'll find that without solid evidence I stand by that its a series of mistakes over two decades adding up.

    That is, however, relevant to the threads where at least the emails if not the full on science is discussed. However, it is not relevant in a thread with an article that has its writer playing 20-question potshot with five dozen different things where any number of different answers could be true but the author just picks the one they want. I do resort to ridicule there because there's really no way to take it seriously.
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    REPRESENT!
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    CLIMATE SCIENTISTS CAUSED 9-11 !!!!!!!!!!!!



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    WRONG. It is not shown in the ice core records. The truth behind 9-11 lies with a magma demon named Jorb.
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    ^ oh god

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