Help relationship

**Echbart** · November 30, 2009, 02:24 AM

Im currently playing with Silvani elv3ec on VH/VH and i have a problem with relationship. All are poor or under - but i only warred agains Orcs of MM and rebels - i even conquerd moria and give it to the dwarfs. Ho can i improve it?

And yes i execute all prisoners from Orcs of MM.

Advice

**Hermes Trismegistos** · November 30, 2009, 03:34 AM

Don't exterminate the population of conquered cities, don't use assasins - it damages your reputation.

Make occasional gifts (especially maps because it doesn't cost you anything), arrange trade rights.

**Withwnar** · November 30, 2009, 03:40 AM

Fight their enemies, don't walk on their land unless you have Miltary Access, small regular tributes might help.

Giving regions is usually a big plus but it didn't sound like it with the Dwarves. They can be prickly customers in my experience. Actually, ungrateful b

s, is closer to the mark.

**Echbart** · November 30, 2009, 04:11 AM

Thnks!

Does walking with diplomat on their land also brings you bad rep ?

**Grand Admiral Thrawn** · November 30, 2009, 04:54 AM

No. Furthermore when we play on VH our reputation decreases automatically no matter what we do - the same as in vanilla M2.

**Echbart** · November 30, 2009, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Grand Admiral Thrawn

No. Furthermore when we play on VH our reputation decreases automatically no matter what we do - the same as in vanilla M2.

Thats why.

**stocker** · November 30, 2009, 08:20 AM

just give the factions cities in return for an alliance, they will almost always go for it!

**Myshkin** · November 30, 2009, 08:25 AM

Something like E.Osglieth?

You just gave me an idea, The Dark Lord declared a crusade on it, what if I gift it to the snobby high elves and get this bloody alliance going? I can recapture it later at my own leasure.

**Echbart** · November 30, 2009, 08:32 AM

Thats it....then i will play on H - i jsut dont like it

**Seleukos_I.** · November 30, 2009, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Myshkin

Something like E.Osglieth?

You just gave me an idea, The Dark Lord declared a crusade on it, what if I gift it to the snobby high elves and get this bloody alliance going? I can recapture it later at my own leasure.

I'm pretty sure that you can't give your city to another faction once a crusade/jihad is called upon it.

**Myshkin** · November 30, 2009, 08:41 AM

Why on H?

**stocker** · November 30, 2009, 12:49 PM

dude just give map information as gifts, money etc.... or simple capture a settlement on the front lines, give it to the other faction in return for an alliance...... then the enemies will be forced to attack your ally (if they do) meaning the enemy now has you and your ally to deal with!

I have given settlements to the dwarves and the high elves that are very near the front lines of mordor..... if everything goes according to plan, i will be storming the black gates with my stacks, gondor stacks, high elves stacks and dwarves stacks..... possibly even dale's stacks as they are pwnign rhun atm

**Muffer Nl** · November 30, 2009, 01:57 PM

The Crusade/Jihad ends that way because another faction has conquered the city.
Well in Vanilla M2TW it did...

**JorisofHolland** · December 01, 2009, 01:04 PM

No it doesn't end then. There will be no declaration of war for those who already are on Invasion, but the others will declare war on the new faction. War will have to be declared anyway, unless the invasion will be cancelled (which happens in an evil factions take the settlement with an army not on crusade).