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    REUTERS - Abu Dhabi, capital of the United Arab Emirates and one of the world's top oil exporters, will "pick and choose" how to assist its debt-laden neighbour Dubai, a senior Abu Dhabi official said on Saturday.

    "We will look at Dubai's commitments and approach them on a case-by-case basis. It does not mean that Abu Dhabi will underwrite all of their debts," the official in the government of the emirate of Abu Dhabi told Reuters by phone.

    A policy of selectively assisting cash-strapped companies affiliated with the government of Dubai, instead of providing blanket assistance, challenges assumptions made by many investors who assumed that wealthy Abu Dhabi provided a complete safety net for its racier neighbour.

    Dubai's crisis exploded on Wednesday when the emirate, known for flashy lifestyles and the world's tallest building, said it would delay payment on debt issued by one of its flagship firms, angering investors and sending global markets sharply lower.

    "Some of Dubai's entities are commercial, semi-government ones. Abu Dhabi will pick and choose when and where to assist," said the official, who declined to be identified because he is not authorised to speak to the media.

    Abu Dhabi, which pumps 90 percent of the oil that make the United Arab Emirates the world's third-largest oil exporter, has already provided $15 billion in indirect support for Dubai through the UAE central bank and two private Abu Dhabi banks.

    How much more support the emirate provides for its cash-strapped neighbour, however, will depend on how Dubai clarifies its stand on unresolved issues.

    "Until things become clearer, it is very difficult to make any further investment decision on the bonds. Many things have to be clarified by Dubai," the official said.

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    The UAE central bank said it was closely watching events stemming from the Dubai debt crisis to ensure no harm results for the national economy, a spokesman for the central bank said on Saturday.

    "The central bank is monitoring developments very carefully to ensure that there is no negative impact on the UAE economy," the spokesman told Reuters by phone.

    Constitutionally, each emirate in the UAE is a separate legal entity within the loose federation, and each controls its own natural and financial resources. The federal government has no guaranteed access to those resources nor is it obliged to underwrite the liabilities of any emirate.

    International markets were rocked when Dubai said on Wednesday it was instigating a major restructuring at one of its biggest holding companies, Dubai World.

    As part of the restructuring programme, investors have been advised of a "standstill" in repayment of flagship real estate developer Nakheel's $3.5 billion Islamic bond, or sukuk, due for maturity on Dec. 14.

    Dubai World had $59 billion of liabilities as of August, making up the majority of Dubai's total debt of $80 billion. International banks' exposure related to Dubai World could reach $12 billion in syndicated and bilateral loans, banking sources told Thomson Reuters LPC.

    A statement from the Dubai government is expected on Monday, when the markets reopen following an extended break for Eid, a religious holiday observed across the Gulf region.
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    We have a thread on this, with a sensible title.

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    can I use this thread to point and laugh as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    can I use this thread to point and laugh as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    can I use this thread to point and laugh as well?
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    Our government has extended export warranties worth several hundred million Euros covering business deals with Dubai, or more precise; covering deals with companies under the umbrella of the Dubai World investment vehicle, which in case of bankruptcy are largely going to evaporate.
    Having payed my taxes, I'm not laughing.

    Someone has to fess up for the losses incurred by private banks on on loans not, or only partially, payed back aswell.
    I'm sure you've noticed the ridiculously low interest rate on your bank account lately. Again, I'm not laughing.

    It's pretty galling being both the one the costs are trickled down upon while also being the one that had jack all to do with the profiteering that has preceded all these collapsing financial constructions, if you ask me.
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    I don't care for a couple of millions of tax money if I can see theocrats fail!
    Besides, they would have spent it on other horrible stuff anyway and what bothers me alot more then this is the increase in energy costs next year...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    We have a thread on this, with a sensible title.
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    Dubai’s “container economy” is in for a grind in 2010 and beyond. Owners of properties are uneasily aware that the crisis shaved off huge chunks from the value of those properties.“Real estate companies have downsized; projects have been shelved, hundreds have lost jobs.The place is rife with rumours that Dubai is in colossal debt and is seeking an Abu Dhabi bailout.Fortunately the dubai crisis is not severe that influence relatively less to China.It seems like investors have been very wary of risk assets lately due to the Dubai crisis and now that Dubai will be able to repay some of its loans investors will be less nervous.

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    Well I do hope that Oil costs rise, Dubai gets back on its feet and the West largely fails and crashes while the Islamic lands prosper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Shahanshah of Pakistan View Post
    Well I do hope that Oil costs rise, Dubai gets back on its feet and the West largely fails and crashes while the Islamic lands prosper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Shahanshah of Pakistan View Post
    Well I do hope that Oil costs rise, Dubai gets back on its feet and the West largely fails and crashes while the Islamic lands prosper.
    But when we are not buying your Oil and the Chinese get there's from the Russians how are "Islamic Lands" going to prosper. Heck with ZERO money coming in you lot we most likely wipe each other out.
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    Well I do hope that Oil costs rise, Dubai gets back on its feet and the West largely fails and crashes while the Islamic lands prosper.

    Middle East is a hole now, I can't imagine how bad its gonna be when their oil dries up.

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    Not gonna happen, the UAE have a medieval economy...
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    oh I think it will be MUCH better when the oil dries up. It will coincide with the end of the 'war on terror' if you get what I'm saying
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    Dubai crude. We should get out oil from Brunei instead.
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    ...And the tallest building in the world, which is in Dubai, will be opened in just 3 days from now...


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    Well I do hope that Oil costs rise, Dubai gets back on its feet and the West largely fails and crashes while the Islamic lands prosper.
    Well that's retarded.

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    Dubai has very little oil, so higher oil prices aren't going to help it.

    'Well I do hope that Oil costs rise, Dubai gets back on its feet and the West largely fails and crashes while the Islamic lands prosper.'

    With all due respect, Arabs have been making packets off oil for decades and yet 'Islamic lands' are still backwards. If I was you I would be placing money on 'oil runs out, Saudi Arabia goes back to being nation of camel herders'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furious Mental View Post

    With all due respect, Arabs have been making packets off oil for decades and yet 'Islamic lands' are still backwards. If I was you I would be placing money on 'oil runs out, Saudi Arabia goes back to being nation of camel herders'.
    I wouldn't bet on that either, they've got a lot of investments in western companies and banks.. more like "oil runs out, Saudi Arabia finds nothing to do, fancies themselves as capitalists, s whole system up."
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    Investments aren't a substitute for a productive economy though. Industrialised countries go through crises but their capacity for production doesn't collapse, because at the end of the day it still has skilled personnel and plant and production can recover. If a country relies on a sovereign wealth fund and that fund loses half its assets, that's half the economy down the toilet and it ain't coming back.

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