US missile defence system in Poland

[LittleD]

I don't know if this is not a big subject anymore, but what ever happen to this plan? did it happen?

I heard stories of Russia wanted to invade poland if this plan went on, and if it did would Russia take the chance to start a war with NATO? I mean was it that big of a threat for Russia? and how could it be if its a "anti-Nuclear" system.

[Gelgoog]

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[Ænema]

Russia thinks it's a threat to them so they went on the defensive (offensive?).

IDK. It's politics as usual.

[Pontifex Maximus]

Don't worry guys, Poland still cannot into space.

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[cfmonkey45]

I don't know if this is not a big subject anymore, but what ever happen to this plan? did it happen?

If I recall correctly, Obama ordered the project scrapped in order to "defuse" the situation with Russia.

[Acco]

If I recall correctly, Obama ordered the project scrapped in order to "defuse" the situation with Russia.

Yep. In its place, he established a ship-based shield against short- and medium-range Iranian ballistic missiles. It was a good decision, in my opinion, cause Russia obviously had their panties in a bunch over the missile shield (never a good thing when you're trying to lobby for their support against Iran's nuclear capabilities) and the new system's more cost-effective.

I heard stories of Russia wanted to invade poland if this plan went on, and if it did would Russia take the chance to start a war with NATO?

All rhetoric. Russia has too much to lose even contemplating about an invasion of Poland.

[ivan_the_terrible]

All rhetoric. Russia has too much to lose even contemplating about an invasion of Poland.

It was never even rhetoric. He is just grossly misinformed, or lying.

[cegorach]

The missiles.

Ok as far as I can tell at this moment only the presence of the Patriot anti-missile rockets is almost certain.

Even though recently France proposed its assistance in modernization of Polish AA defences I am sure Poland will try to get the promised help from the US.
Considering the fact that cooperation between Polish and French military industry is profitable, much like that with Israel I think there will be some results from this source as well.


Basically Poland attempts to strenghten the ties inside the EU as well as with the US military and it should work well.


When it comes to this anti-missile shield of president Obama it will be less pectacular but more useful.

Although the timing of the announcement about thecancelling of the old anti-missile deal was horrible (the 70th anniversary of the Soviet Invasion in 1939 ) it doesn't change much.
Kremlin can have their 'victory' but that was actually more American PR blunder than any real success.




And finally - Russia will not invade Poland tomorrow, they are barely capable to defeat Belgium right now, though if I was Latvian or Estonian I would be worried, especially if Kremlin decides to vent some of dissent which is growing in Russia.
Right now they'd rather start another offensive against separatists and terrorists inside the Russian Federation.
So I guess Caucasus.

[Admiral Piett]

Why does everyone hate the poor Polish?

[Nevins]

Why does everyone hate the poor Polish?

Because they live on land that others often insist should be flying a different flag. An accident of unfortunate geography between two powers more than anything else.

In retrospect, I really wished that Obama had gotten more out of the Russians for this, as we still don't have Putin's support against Iran.

[CtrlAltDe1337]

Because they live on land that others often insist should be flying a different flag. An accident of unfortunate geography between two powers more than anything else.

In retrospect, I really wished that Obama had gotten more out of the Russians for this, as we still don't have Putin's support against Iran.

Obama got nothing from the Russians. That's the sad part, whether you supported the missile shield or not.

[Nevins]

Obama got nothing from the Russians. That's the sad part, whether you supported the missile shield or not.

Which is what I was alluding too. I supported the missile shield, as in Soviet Russia, Defensive Missile system attacks you!

[Panzerbear]

Obama got nothing from the Russians. That's the sad part, whether you supported the missile shield or not.

what, Russia's assistance to NATO operations in Afghanistan no longer counts?

PS: I cant believe you guys are even entertaining an idea of Russian invasion of Poland, you guys are completely out of sync with geopolitics.

The maximum Russia "threatened" was to deploy short range nukes in Kaliningrad and thus put those missile shield sites on very high priority to get wiped out first in the case of conflict.

regular precision strike missiles (or divisional artillery, to be even more precise), not nukes.
google Iskander-M.

[Mangalore]

what, Russia's assistance to NATO operations in Afghanistan no longer counts?

PS: I cant believe you guys are even entertaining an idea of Russian invasion of Poland, you guys are completely out of sync with geopolitics.

regular precision strike missiles (or divisional artillery, to be even more precise), not nukes.
google Iskander-M.

I said "maximum" for a reason. There was fear/rumours of it being nukes and in theory this kind of missile can just as well carry a tactical nuclear warhead as anything else.

[Admiral Piett]

Obama hasn't gained anything from the Russians in the short-term, but in the long-term, I believe its a very important step towards more cordial and respectful relations between Russia and the West in general. I mean, even if he got the Russians to partially support an Iranian sanction, that'd be a diplomatic feat.

[Captain Jin]

Aside from the ship based anti-missile systems, there will still be SM-3 anti-ballistic missiles in Poland where the interceptors were supposed to be. This is reduced 'threat' to Russia.

Why does everyone hate the poor Polish?

I love the Polish. They are a bunch of tough bastards and you know they don't give a damn about threatening/pissing off a resurgent Russia.

[trance]

I'm afraid you're underestimating Russia, as much as I hate to admit it, they do have a large army. And that army is currently being modernized, and enlargened at an alarming rate. While the notion of a full scale invasion is just silly, Russia is highly capable of bringing instability to eastern europe. And I certainly have a feeling that we will be seeing a lot of power demonstrations in the following years.

[Nevins]

I'm afraid you're underestimating Russia, as much as I hate to admit it, they do have a large army. And that army is currently being modernized, and enlargened at an alarming rate. While the notion of a full scale invasion is just silly, Russia is highly capable of bringing instability to eastern europe. And I certainly have a feeling that we will be seeing a lot of power demonstrations in the following years.

Russia has no interest in invading. They just want the US out of what they perceive as their own sphere of influence.

[Radosław Sikora]

Invasion of Poland is not profitable for Russia right now. But if I were Ukrainian, I would affraid. Eastern Ukraine and Crimea has Russian speaking population. I don't know if they consider themeselves more Russian or Ukrainian, but annexation of these territories would help Russia to improve its demographical problems.
Anyway, I think that in a longer time (some 3-4 decades), Russia will close to Europe. I mean, Russia will need good relations with European countries, because the biggest problem of Russia is not any danger from the West. It is decreasing population of Russia (particulary depopulation of Siberia). Russia may affraid East, not West.

[Exarch]

if i were russia
i'd much prefer a friendly polish satellite more than anything