XC-ET Joint Expansion Project: Intellectual Lifes, Spiritual Journeys

[Suppanut]

I have came up with ideas about development of Special feature which will made XC even more uniquely different from our elder brother work, XGM, for a while but have just became concrete recently. I will put reformation on religion and intellectual concepts to the place where XGM could not go. But I need a lot of help from fellows and forumer who adept in history and ancient culture or researcher on the topic about religion intellectual culture and ancients' superstitious/omens to made concept and description great. So I ask Caesar to allow me to open this thread to public discussion.

Plan on this so far (and maybe add furthers)
1) Temple and religion concept revision
- Cut down temple numbers and redefined concept of the rests as most people don't understand the different among temples with law bonus and among temples with exp bonus. I expected to left about 15 but fewer would also good.
- Redefined deity in connected with temples as well as ancillaries
- New traits system about how religions effect personal development by expand more world religion concept as well as add deity devotion and Mystery cults concept which will expand personal development of characters greatly both vice and virtue which determine by hidden traits about how characters opinion about religion.
- Omens system, add random factors to each turn event as well as add character/faction quest if player like to pursue to solved bad bad problem that happen to them.

2) Intellectual skills concept revision
- New Intellectual skills system which made all culture different as well as add more skill in stocks.
- Expand more on partial civilized factions concept by give them access to more of civilized traits and features especially for Spain and Thrace

Optional: New Economy
- New spare slots will go for new buildings but still need to see what in non beta XC4 work and feedback to discuss what need to add. Ideas so far are trans-sahara trade, Frankincense route, river port, hospital, and garden paradise. All of these not finalized yet.


Part 1: Religious Buildings
Current XC has inherited 20 temple types from XGM, which most people seem to not understand the different between each kind of temples at all and wasted so many precious building slots those could use for other proposes to serve our ambitious project. I currently plan to cut our temple from 20 to 15 for this combined project but if it better to cut more then so be it.

Here are all 15 reformed temple building types.
1) Battle Group, directly related to war and battle, has 3 types
1.1) horse
Concept: This temple is dedicated to aristocratic warriors and heroes on horseback.

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Bonus:
- lvl1 happy1 exp1
- lvl2 happy2 exp1
- lvl3 happy3 exp1
- lvl4 happy4 exp2
- lvl5 happy5 exp2

1.2) victory
Concept: This temple is dedicated to lighter side of war with heroes, strategy, and victory as its aspects.

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Basic Bonus:
- lvl1 happy1 exp1
- lvl2 happy2 exp1
- lvl3 happy3 exp1
- lvl4 happy4 exp2
- lvl5 happy5 exp2

1.3) violence
Concept: This temple is dedicated to darker side of war with honor, revenge, and violence as its aspects

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Bonus:
- lvl1 happy1 exp1
- lvl2 happy2 exp1
- lvl3 happy3 exp1
- lvl4 happy4 exp2
- lvl5 happy5 exp2

2) Economy Group, related to economic activity of peoples, has 3 types
2.1) forge
Concept: This temple is dedicated to craftmanship, and industrous quality of peoples, as well as fire aspect

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Bonus:
-lvl1 happy1 trade1
-lvl2 happy2 trade1 armour1
-lvl3 happy3 trade1 armour1 simple1
-lvl4 happy4 trade1 armour1 simple1 blade1
-lvl5 happy5 trade1 armour1 simple1 blade1 arrow1

2.2) hunting
Concept: This temple is dedicated to wildlife, forest, and hunting aspects

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Bonus:
-lvl1 happy1 farm1
-lvl2 happy2 farm1 arrow1
-lvl3 happy3 farm1 arrow1 blade1
-lvl4 happy4 farm1 arrow1 blade1 simple1
-lvl5 happy5 farm1 arrow1 blade1 simple1 armour1

2.3) trade
Concept: This temple is dedicated to trading and bartering of society

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Bonus:
-lvl1 happy1 trade1
-lvl2 happy2 trade2
-lvl3 happy3 trade3
-lvl4 happy4 trade4
-lvl5 happy5 trade5

3) Life Group, related to peoples' life and nature aspects, has 3 types
3.1) farming
Concept: This temple is dedicated to simplicity, agriculture, and rural life

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Bonus:
-lvl1 happy1 farm1
-lvl2 happy2 farm2
-lvl3 happy3 farm3
-lvl4 happy4 farm3 law1
-lvl5 happy5 farm3 law2

3.2) fertility
Concept: This temple is dedicated to love of individual and fertility of society

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Bonus:
-lvl1 happy1 growth1
-lvl2 happy2 growth2
-lvl3 happy3 growth3
-lvl4 happy4 growth3 law1
-lvl5 happy5 growth3 law2

3.3) healing
Concept: This temple is dedicated to health healing aspected of society

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Bonus:
-lvl1 happy1 health1
-lvl2 happy2 health2
-lvl3 happy3 health3
-lvl4 happy4 health4
-lvl5 happy5 health5

4) Order Group, related to law and order of society, has 3 types
4.1) fun
Concept: This temple is dedicated to estasy and mystery aspect of religion

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Bonus:
-lvl1 happy3
-lvl2 happy5
-lvl3 happy7
-lvl4 happy9
-lvl5 happy11

Note: Most of Temple of Fun's deities will allow to access to Mystery religions' trait which will allow character to get far better traits than basic set and prevent to gain vice from this temple

4.2) law
Concept: This temple is dedicated to law and justice of society

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Bonus:
-lvl1 happy1 law1
-lvl2 happy2 law2
-lvl3 happy3 law3
-lvl4 happy4 law4
-lvl5 happy5 law5

4.3) leadership
Concept: This temple is dedicated to governing and leadership of the nation

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Bonus:
-lvl1 happy1 law1
-lvl2 happy2 law2
-lvl3 happy3 law3
-lvl4 happy4 law4
-lvl5 happy5 law5

5) special Group, related Factions' special concepts, has 3 types
5.1) naval
Concept: This temple is dedicated to maritime activity of nation

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Bonus:
gcs, pontus, carthage, egypt, saba
-lvl1 happy1 trade2
-lvl2 happy2 trade3
-lvl3 happy3 trade4 Ship
-lvl4 happy4 trade5 Ship
-lvl5 happy5 trade6 Ship
non-thallasocratic greek, roman
-lvl1 happy1 trade1
-lvl2 happy2 trade2
-lvl3 happy3 trade2 Ship
-lvl4 happy4 trade2 Ship
-lvl5 happy5 trade2 Ship
non-thallasocratic eastern, barbarian
-lvl1 happy1 trade1
-lvl2 happy2 trade2
-lvl3 happy3 trade3
-lvl4 happy4 trade4
-lvl5 happy5 trade5

5.2) one_god
Concept: This temple is dedicated to monotheistic deity.

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Bonus:
-lvl1 happy1 law1
-lvl2 happy2 law2
-lvl3 happy3 law3
-lvl4 happy4 law4
-lvl5 happy5 law5

5.3) ascetic
Concept: This temple is dedicated to buddhism and nontheistic ascetics religion.

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Bonus:
-lvl1 law1 trade1
-lvl2 law2 trade2
-lvl3 law3 trade3
-lvl4 law4 trade4
-lvl5 law5 trade5

Total=15

Special Temple: As now temple cut fewer so some of them may need to rule out.
- Same as before
horse, Karahunj
violence, Abu Simbel
trade, Tophet
hunting, Temple of Anahita
farming, Stonehenge
fertility, Carnac Stones
healing, Sanctuary of Asklepios/Paradise at Daphne
law, Kogaionon
leadership, Persepolis
naval, Pillars of Herakles
one_god, Second Temple of Yahweh
ascetic, Learning Center of Taxila

- Move from original Temple due to temple cut
victory, Acropolis (old battle sp)
forge, Capitoline Temple (old battleforge sp)
fun, Theban Necropolis (old justice sp)

- Usable as Wonders
Kabba at Mecca (old forge sp)

Change concept to Oracle
Oracle of Dodona (old governors sp)
Oracle of Amon (old victory sp)
Oracle of Delphi (old fun sp)

Most of factions will have 3 temples that buildable and maximum at 4.

List of deity of temple so far...


Temples and Deities list of future XC so far

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Temples and Deities list of future XC

Type            Sarmatian               Thrace-Dacian           German                  Celt                    Iberian                 roman                   carthage                egypt                   greek_cities            macedon                 seleucid                Baktrian                Saba                    pontus                  Armenian                parthia                 type
1 Battle Type
horse           [Papaios]               Hero                    Zîu                     Epona                   Dercetius               Gemini                  Sufax                   Maahes                  Dioscuri                Dioscuri                Dioscuri                The Ashvins             Abgal                   Men                     Tork Angegh             [Vohu Manah]            horse           2
victory         (Wasgergi)              [Hebeleyzis]            Wurt                    Andraste                Bandua                  Minerva                 Astarte                 Horus                   Athena                  Athena                  Mithras                 Mithras                 Al-Qaum                 [Mithras]               Meher                   Mithra                  victory         2
violence        (Targitai)              Ares                    [Donar]                 Teutates                Cariocecus              [Mars]                  Gurzil                  Seth                    Herakles                [Herakles]              Herakles                [Herakles]              Nergal                  Herakles                [Vahagan]               Verethragna             violence        5

2 Economy Type
forge           Agin                    Hecate                  Ull                     Lugus                   [Runesocesius]          Vulcan                  Kothar                  [Thot]                  [Hephaestus]            Hephaestus              Hephaestus              Agni                    Hubal                   [Hephaestus]            Astuas                  Kshathra Vairya         forge           4
hunting         [Ditagoia]              Bendis                  Holle                   [Essus]                 Trebaruna               Diana                   Neith                   Bast                    Artemis                 Artemis                 Artemis                 [Anahita]               Ta’lab                  Artemis                 [Anahit]                Anahita                 hunting         4
Trade           Argimpasa               Kotys                   *[Volla/Zisa]           Brigindo                Melqart                 Mercury                 [Melqart]               Ptah                    Hermes                  Hermes                  [Tyche]                 Tyche                   [(Arabian Traidess)]    Tyche                   Tir                     [Arshtat]               trade           5

3 Life Type
farming         Simurgh                 Cybele                  Nerthus                 [Cernunnos]             Ataegina                Ceres                   [Tanit]                 Sobek                   Demeter                 Demeter                 Demeter                 [Ameretat]              [Athtar]                Cybele                  [Ara Geghetsik]         Ameretat                farming         5
fertility       [Api]                   Orpheus                 Frija                   Aveta                   Duillae                 Venus                   Atargatis               [Isis]                  Aphrodite               [Aphrodite]             Atargatis               Shiva                   Wadd                    Ma                      Astghik                 [Spenta Armaiti]        fertility       4
healing         Goetosyrus              [Derzelas]              Ostara                  Belenus                 [Endovelicus]           [Juno]                  Eshmun                  Imhotep                 [Apollo]                Apollo                  [Apollo]                Apollo                  Nakrah                  Asklepios               Aralez                  Airyaman                healing         5

4 Order Type
fun             Dionysus                Dionysus                Phol                    Sucellus                [Sucellus]              Bacchus                 Bes                     [Bes]                   [Dionysus]              Dionysus                Dionysus                Haoma                   Bes                     Dionysus                Vanatur                 Haoma                   fun             3
law             Tabiti                  [Zalmoxis]              Forsite                 [Taranis]               *Reue/Candamius         Saturn                  [Baal]                  Serapis                 Hera                    Hera                    [(Seleucus)]            Brahma                  Dushares                Aion                    Barshamin               Zurvan                  law             4
leadership      Kolaxais                Sabazios                [Wodan]                 Ogmios                  Eacus                   [Jupiter]               Amon                    (Magas Alexandros)      Zeus                    [Zeus]                  Zeus                    Zeus                    [Almaqah]               [Sabazios]              Armazd                  Asha Vahishta           leadership      5

5 Special Type
naval           Thamigasados            Cabeiri                 Niord                   Nehalennia              Nabia                   [Neptune]               [Yamm]                  [Proteus]               [Poseidon]              Poseidon                Poseidon                Vishnu                  (Asherah)               [Pontus]                Tsovinar                Haurvatat               naval           5
one_god         Zoroaster               Zoroaster               Zoroaster               Zoroaster               Zoroaster               Zoroaster               Zoroaster               Zoroaster               Zoroaster               Zoroaster               Zoroaster               Ahura Mazda             Yahweh                  Zoroaster               Zoroaster               [Ahura Mazda]           one_god         1
ascetic         Buddha                  Buddha                  Buddha                  Buddha                  Buddha                  Buddha                  Buddha                  Buddha                  Buddha                  Buddha                  Buddha                  [Buddha]                Buddha                  Buddha                  Buddha                  Buddha                  ascetic         1
Type            Sarmatian               Thrace-Dacian           German                  Celt                    Iberian                 roman                   carthage                egypt                   greek_cities            macedon                 seleucid                Baktrian                Saba                    pontus                  Armenian                parthia                 type

[] Temple could be build by that factions initially. Usually 3 but if that factions are thallasocratic, Parthia or Baktria will give 4
() Need description
* Need to decide which deity is better

Concept of how to create faction's temple set
1) There will usually has 3 but not more than 4 temple in set.
2) Could only pick 1 per category
3) could not pick the same type with their main neighbor
4) Temple of Trade, Naval, and Ascetic are mutually excluded except for Carthage.
5) Temple of Law, Leadership, and One God are mutually excluded

Part 2: New Faith and Religion system
1) Religious behavior will affected by...
- personality via trait, people will choose where their faith reside to according to family value and their own personality.
- devoting hidden trait, sliding scale on devotional tendency of character toward religion the more this value higher, the more tendency to be fanatic
- Spiritual searching hidden trait, sliding scale on what they seen on their spiritual and ultimate truth questioning, higher mean that they will not affect by bad trait from temple and question most of devotiobn but will go deeper into developed themselves by estoric religions and mystery cults instead.
- publicfaith and pious will give more chance to gain trait from temple
- pragmatic and atheism will prevent chance to gain trait from non-Ascetic temple
- some trait gain by temple need to have superstitious trait

2) Devotion to deity, most of deity could be devoted by general as follower, all have 3 levels each, trigger when upgrade temple or stay in settlement with temple and right colony or inherit from father.
lvl1: faithful, first step of devotion, prevent devotion on other gods and affect of different temple from their faithful deity.
lvl2: devotion, second step with additional bonus
lvl3: fanatic, third step with bonus plus unrest when governing settlement with different temple from their devotion, sane character will not become fanatic

3) Faith based religion, Jedaism and Zoroastrian, as faith based monotheistic religion will have different kind of system from polythistic religion as they will have subcults that based on cultural development of that era.
Zoroastrian has 3 level of devotion plus supplement cults...
- Polytheistic systhesis Zoroastrain cult
- Apocalyptic Zoroastrian cults
- Zurvanism(Cults that devote to Zurvan the primodial creator and father of Ahura Mazda and Ahriman in later helleno-zoroastrian sect)
- Median Magii cults
- Mithra's Devotion cult(also allowed even without Zoroastrian faith)
- Anahita's Devotion cult(also allowed even without Zoroastrian faith)

Judaism didn't have seperated religion trait as it share with ethnic Jewish but have religion aspect plus by supplement sect...
- Apocalyptic sect
- Messianic sect
- Hellenistic Judaism

4) Hybrid Religion, Hinduism is religion with hybrid tradition between verdic ritual devotion tradition and more recent upanishad tradition
- Verdic devotion tradition, will allowed these devotion
The Ashvins
Agni
Shiva
Surya
Soma
Brahma
Indra
Vishnu
- Upanishad tradition, trigger when spiritual searching trait is at high level and will allowed these esotoric practice
Ayuraveda (The Ashvins)
Bhagavad Gita (Vishnu)
Brahman Vedanta (Brahma)
Yoga (Shiva)

5) Mystery & esotoric Religion, Faith faith that devotion to mystery, esoteric and ascetic only. Need consider about of soul searching to initiate and a lot of spiritual searching and effort to develop further, the cults itself will prevent devotion on any gods as well as most of trait related to temple.
Just modify old traits
- Buddhism
Newly Add
- Orphic Mysteries
- Wodanic Cults
- Cults of Zalmoxis
- Bacchic Cults
- Dionysian Mysteries
- Cults of Cernunnos(Druid)
- Isis Mysteries
- Eleusinian Mysteries
- Cults of Sabazios
- Cults of Cybele
- Cults of Endovilicus
- Cults of Asklepios
Note: Follower of Pythagorean and Platonism will not buy with most of Cults and mysteries but may still have chance for Buddhism

6) Cult of Leadership
- Alexander Cults
- Imperial Cults (if Rome has an leader as imperator will allowed this cult to appear)
- Diadochus Cults

7) Barbarian Priest Traits, rebalance
Zalmoxis and Druidic cults have very powerful organized body of Priesthood. And character would able to access to these if they graduated from specific schools since in ET3.
- Priest of Zalmoxis (Graduated from Kogainon)
- Druid (Graduated from Anglesey or Cenabum)

8) Hate specific religion and cults
As character could faithful to religion and cults, they would also hate other faith and deity as well.


In-depth discussion as well as researcher on these topics are needed.


Part 3: Omen System
Brief on Omen System
Omen system is the system to put random factor and quest of redeem into action. Effects are varied according to type of omens...

- Faction omens: This Omens will belong to faction leader and effect will fall on shoulders of all people who served in factions. This omens usually have bad effect on whole family due to its existance demage credibility of whole family. This omens will not affect on ai factions. The sequence of this omens often like this...
1) Omens stuck with faction annoucement about omens on faction leaders as well as informed on which oracle that he need to consult on this matter by himself. And then penalty effect start.
2) Faction leader need to go to settlement with specific oracle by himself to get solution, oracle that chosen usually within faction border but in some case, may not if no oracle in border but near your starting position. If player forget instruction, trait will remind you this.
3) Do it according to solution pass down by Oracle which often need to do something in foreign settlement and need to go to war with those factions to to do it.
4) If player could do it then all penalty will vanish as well as some handsome reward to faction leader.
5) Effect of faction Omen will also end if current faction leader is dead.

- Personal omens: Similar to faction omens except that this will be personal matters and usually no need to take foreign settlement but still need to fulfill something. Reward will be spawning some good trait or redeem the bad one that already have. If you don't do it effect that follow this character will varied but usually not factionwide. Character with pragmatic belief will not able to take this quest.

- Battle omens: This is omens that will issue at the start turn and end of battle and effect on next battle. This omens happen randomly and usually something about personal luck of generals which sometime fatal. Again, character with pragmatic belief or certain traits will not effect on the omens no matter it is good or bad.

- Siege omens: Similar to Battle omens but happen to siege and besieged character only. It is issue only at start turn. This omens will effect on how tough the siege battle is or reward to come until next turn. Again, character with pragmatic belief or certain traits will not effect on the omens no matter it is good or bad.

Currently I and Anakarsis are on researching in order to create good omen scenarios.


To be continue....

[Anakarsis]

You gonna make this only with character traits? It´s incredible how do you expanded the limits of the program.

I would have put the farming temple among the economica ones, but apart from this, the resume of the divine aspects is outstanding.

FOr this level of accuracy, In my opinion, Stoic and Epicurean phylosophies should have the same level of development and influence than a religion , as historically they were much more ruling on the religious deveanor of the rulers than cults.

[Suppanut]

OK. I would do that. although stoicism and epicurean already have their own trait of personality and trait of philosophy. I will try to formulate and expand their affection to all others philosophy schools as well.

[Anakarsis]

Yes, i already have seen them in game. But as you plan to take this all to a completely new level of accuracy, that could do a nice detail.

I though that putting something about the neo-platonic and gnostic cults (Christianity among them) should be also good, but they appear in the limit of our time period so it is not that important,

[McScottish]

I like it. If you need any help with the info then give me a PM but, as for the system, that's not really my area.

[Anakarsis]

In my opinion, separating the Frankincense from the Silk road is not SO important. The rest of the buildings are welcome

[Kylan271]

River trade is a definate bonus.. I always try at least one useful Ancilliary or trait per Temple,ie Fertility I added "WiseWoman' in vanilla. I do not know how it works out here? Morale bonus does not work,I can confirm this,so hope not to include with your temples. Hospitals I find good reference in MTW2 for a guide.

Good work with your temple system..

[LucretiusTC]

If you were going to cut down the number of those special temples, I would prefer to see this kind of combination, because surely Athens and Rome are very essential cities in this game.

The Acropolis of Athens and its monuments are universal symbols of the classical spirit and civilization and form the greatest architectural and artistic complex bequeathed by Greek Antiquity to the world.

http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/404

1. victory, Acropolis
2. forge, Capitoline Temple (the greatest temple in Ancient Rome)
3. fun, Theban Necropolis (inc. the Valley of the Kings)
4. trade, Tophet
5. hunting, Temple of Anahita
6. farming, Stonehenge
7. fertility, Carnac Stones
8. healing, Paradise at Daphne
9. leadership, Persepolis
10. naval, Pillars of Herakles
11. one god, Second Temple of Yahweh
12. ascetic, Learning Centre of Taxila

As oracles:

1. Oracle of Dodona (old governors sp)
2. Oracle of Amon (old victory sp)
3. Oracle of Delphi (old fun sp)

If the number of the special temples were cut down, then I would prefer to remove these temples:

• Abu Simbel (violence)
• Karahunj (horse)
• Kogaionon (law)
• Sanctuary of Asklepios

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Luc.

[LucretiusTC]

About those various oracles, one thing that came to my mind is Sibyl of Cumae and the Sibylline Books:

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The ageless Cumaean Sibyl was the priestess presiding over the Apollonian oracle at Cumae (Kyme), a Greek colony located in the Italian region of Campania.

Virgil, in his Aeneid, describes the Cumaean Sibyl thus: "She changes her features and the colour of her countenance; her hair springs up erect, her bosom heaves and pants, her wild heart beats violently, the foam gathers on her lips, and her voice is terrible." In addition, when she was possessed, Virgil added, "She paces to and fro in her cave and gesticulates as if she would expel the gods from her breast."

One of the Cumaean Sibyl's peculiarities, moreover, was that when consulted she would write her predictions on oak leaves and lay them at the edge of her cave, from which they were blown hither and yon by the wind and often confusedly mixed up, making them all but unintelligible to their readers. The Cumaean Sibyl, declared one historian, never sat on her tripod to give answers without first swallowing a few drops of the juice of the bay laurel.

The Sibylline Books or Libri Sibyllini were a collection of oracular utterances, set out in Greek hexameters, purchased from a sibyl by the last king of Rome, Tarquinius Superbus, and consulted at momentous crises through the history of the Republic and the Empire. Those books were carefully preserved until the disastrous fire, which incinerated the Capitol in 83 BCE. After that disaster, the Roman Senate sent envoys to various oracles to collect similar prophecies, assembling a collection that survived for several centuries until Stilicho reportedly destroyed it in 405 CE.


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Luc.

[Suppanut]

If you were going to cut down the number of those special temples, I would prefer to see this kind of combination, because surely Athens and Rome are very essential cities in this game.

The Acropolis of Athens and its monuments are universal symbols of the classical spirit and civilization and form the greatest architectural and artistic complex bequeathed by Greek Antiquity to the world.

http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/404

1. victory, Acropolis
2. forge, Capitoline Temple (the greatest temple in Ancient Rome)
3. fun, Theban Necropolis (inc. the Valley of the Kings)
4. trade, Tophet
5. hunting, Temple of Anahita
6. farming, Stonehenge
7. fertility, Carnac Stones
8. healing, Paradise at Daphne
9. leadership, Persepolis
10. naval, Pillars of Herakles
11. one god, Second Temple of Yahweh
12. ascetic, Learning Centre of Taxila

As oracles:

1. Oracle of Dodona (old governors sp)
2. Oracle of Amon (old victory sp)
3. Oracle of Delphi (old fun sp)

If the number of the special temples were cut down, then I would prefer to remove these temples:

• Abu Simbel (violence)
• Karahunj (horse)
• Kogaionon (law)
• Sanctuary of Asklepios

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Luc.

Thanks for resposes, LucretiusTC. I will use your plan for this.

I have plan for revision of "senitation" tree and new building tree for "health" as now XC's character could suffer from some specific illness so character of most factions should have better way to get medical ancillaries to take care them and some spare slot of that tree may served as unique healing sanctuaries as well.

senitation (revision of old "health")
Lv2
(all except barbarian)
- sewer: +1 health
(all barbarian except scythia)
- casses pit: +1 health
(scythia)
- steam bath: +1 health
Lv3
(all except barbarian)
- bath: +2 health
(all barbarian except scythia)
- casses pool: +2 health
Lv4
(greek, roman)
- aqueduct: +3 health
(carthage, egypt)
- cisterns network: +3 health
(all barbarian except scythia)
- open sewers: +3 health
(eastern)
- public garden: +2 health, +1 happiness
Lv5
(roman)
- city_plumbing: +3 health, +1 tax
(eastern)
- paradise: +2 health, +2 happiness


health (to allow access to doctor ancillaries)
Lv3
(greek, roman, carthage, egypt)
- gymnasia: +1 health
(eastern)
- house of strength: +1 health
(barbarian except scythia)
- soap maker: +1 health
Special: allowed HalesAndHearty, and martial art trait
Lv4
(greek, roman, thrace)
- Askelpion: +2 health
(carthage, egypt, eastern, spain)
- healing sanctuary: +2 health
(gauls, celts)
- druidic healer hall: +2 health
Special: allowed basic health related ancillaries
Lv5
(Post-reform/roman)
- valetudinarium: +2 health, +1 exp
(greek, carthage)
(Post-reform/eastern)
- medical_academy: +3 health, +2 law
(egypt)
- house of life: +3 health, +2 law
Special: allowed advance health related ancillaries and trait about health and medical knowledge

[CaesarVincens]

If we cut down on temples, we will likely devote a building tree or two to special temples.

[Suppanut]

Now it is the part of intellectual life to spoil

List of Intellectual skills in Ethnic Trait 4

- Cultural Study
**Add
HellenicStudySkill              (Allow to access Greek skills or retinues)
PersianStudySkill               (Allow to access Eastern skills or retinues)
CelticStudySkill                (Allow to access Barbarian skills or retinues)
EgyptianStudySkill              (Allow to access Egyptian skills or retinues)
SemiticStudySkill               (Allow to access Punic/Arabic/Arameic skills or retinues)
IndianStudySkill                (Allow to access Indian skills or retinues)

- Common Skills
StrategicSkill
TacticalSkill

**Change
AsceticSkill                    (Rename from ReligiousAscetics)
FarmingSkill                    (Rename from GoodFarmer)(Farming and Unrest bonus)
MobilizingSkill                 (Change from GoodRecruiter)(Change to reduce construction cost at peace, reduce farm and training cost at war)(except greek, roman, carthaginian)
MercantileSkill                 (Rename from GoodTrader)
MaritimeSkill                   (Change from GoodMaritime)
    LikesFishermen
    EncourageNavalActivity
    GreatMariner

**Add
LegalistativeSkill              (law & Taxation bonus, additional infantry command at last level)
HorsemanshipSkill               (+movement, +valour, additional cavalry command at last level)
MentalTrainingSkill             (ReStructure from Attend_No_Mind)
    4levels    1) Meditation        (+1 Management, +1 personality)
        2) Mindful        (+2 Management, +1 personality, +1 valour)
        3) Mirror of Mind    (+2 Management, +2 personality, +2 valour, +2 Hitpoint)
        4) Attend No Mind    (+3 Management, +2 personality, +3 valour, +4 Hitpoint, +2 Troopmorale)

- Common Civilized Skills
LogisticalSkill
MathematicsSkill
ArchitectSkill
EconomicsSkill
PhilosophySkill
PoeticSkill

**Change
EngineeringSkill                (Merging between GoodMiner and GoodEngineer)
NegotiationSkill                (Rename of Negotiation)(except roman)
AestheticSkill                  (rename from Aesthetic)(+Influence, -Squalor, -Management) 

**Add
GeographicalSkill               (Movement and mining bonus, last level also give buildpoint bonus)
HistorySkill                    (Influence & Morale bonus)
MedicalSkill                    (battleSurgery & Health bonus)
AstronomicalSkill               (+morale and +Influence, ability to read battle omen)
CourtousSkill                   (+Influence, +agenttraining, +personalsecurity, cause unrest)(Monarchic Counterpart of RhetoricSkill)(except roman, carthage, and other non-monarchic factions)

- Western Skills
PoliticsSkill                   (not for Eastern and Egyptian)
RhetoricSkill                   (except Monarchic faction)
NaturalPhilosophySkill
GreekPankrationSkill

- Eastern Skills
AdministrativeSkill             (Rename from GoodAdministrator)(except greek, roman)
EasternZurkhanehSkill

**Change
EasternSexualSkill              (Change from Kamasutra, give additional level)

**Add
TheologicalSkill                (knowledge about rites, religious teaching and practice as well as how to exploited it)



- Barbarian Skills
Berserker
BarbarianHuntingSkill
BarbarianCraftandArt
BarbarianOralTradition          (change to counterpart of LegalistativeSkill)
BarbarianWarriorSkill
BarbarianBardicSkill
BarbarianBandOfBrothers

**Change
EducatedBarbarian               (add level and readjust to indicate literable of barbarian characters)

**Add
BarbarianHerbalisticSkill       (conterpart of MedicalSkill, give less battlesurgery but additional furtility)
BarbarianTribalPoliticsSkill    (counterpart of PoliticsSkill for barbarian)(+influence & -unrest, -unit cost at high level)

- Governing Inapt
BadFarmer
BadTrader
BadEngineer                     (Merging with BadMiner)
BadBuilder
BadTaxman
BadAdministrator
BadMobilizer                    (Change from BadRecruiter)(Opposite to MobilizingSkill, +farm & +recruitment cost at peace, + construction cost at war)
BadMaritime
    HatesFishermen
    DenyNavalOpportunity
    FearstheSea
    MaritimeCleanUp

List of what teaching in Special Schools

1) Taxila
Description:    Teach the famous 18 arts of Taxila.

- Basic    (everyone who graduated this school will get it)
Civilized
**AllowBarbarianSkill
Indian_Influence
IndianStudySkill        (Allow to access Indian skills or retinues)
EducatedBarbarian        (add level and readjust to indicate literable of barbarian characters)

- Religions and Philosophy
Hindu
    Ayuraveda
    BhagavadGita
    BrahmanVedanta
    Yoga
    AsceticSkill        (Rename from ReligiousAscetics)

Buddhist
    MentalTrainingSkill    (ReStructure from Attend_No_Mind)
    KindRuler
    Nonviolence        (restructure)

Incarnation
PhilosophySkill
AstronomicalSkill        (+morale and +Influence, ability to read battle omen)
TheologicalSkill        (knowledge about rites, religious teaching and practice as well as how to exploited it)
EasternSexualSkill        (Change from Kamasutra, give additional level)

- Art of Wars
StrategicSkill
TacticalSkill
EasternZurkhanehSkill
BarbarianWarriorSkill
BarbarianHuntingSkill

- Politic
AdministrativeSkill        (Rename from GoodAdministrator)(except greek, roman)
LegalistativeSkill        (law & Taxation bonus, additional infantry command at last level)
CourtousSkill            (+Influence, +agenttraining, +personalsecurity, cause unrest)(Monarchic Counterpart of RhetoricSkill)(except roman, carthage, and other non-monarchic factions)
PoliticsSkill            (not for Eastern and Egyptian)
MercantileSkill            (Rename from GoodTrader)

- Literacy
PoeticSkill
RhetoricSkill            (except Monarchic faction)

- Other High Arts
MathematicsSkill
EngineeringSkill        (Merging between GoodMiner and GoodEngineer)
BarbarianCraftandArt
AestheticSkill            (rename from Aesthetic)(+Influence, -Squalor, -Management) 
GeographicalSkill        (Movement and mining bonus, last level also give buildpoint bonus)
HistorySkill            (Influence & Morale bonus)
MedicalSkill            (battleSurgery & Health bonus)


2) Persepolis
Description:    Teach art of nobles of the eastern courts.

- Besic    (everyone who graduated this school will get it)
Iranian_Influence
Upright/DeceiverVirtue        (Up to Personality)
PersianStudySkill        (Allow to access Eastern skills or retinues)
HorsemanshipSkill        (+movement, +valour, additional cavalry command at last level)

- Additional Personality
LovesEastern
KindRuler
Just
Generous 
ExpensiveTastes            (Combine with BadArtisticTaste)
AntiHellenic

- Religion and Philosophy
Zoroaster
    Zurvanism
    MedianMagiiCult
    MithraDevotionCult
    AnahitaDevotionCult
    Fire
    Water
    MagusAspect        (allowed most of civilized Skill traits)

PhilosophySkill
AstronomicalSkill        (+morale and +Influence, ability to read battle omen)
TheologicalSkill        (knowledge about rites, religious teaching and practice as well as how to exploited it)

- Art of Wars
StrategicSkill
TacticalSkill
MobilizingSkill            (Change from GoodRecruiter)(Change to reduce construction cost at peace, reduce farm and training cost at war)(except greek, roman, carthaginian)
EasternZurkhanehSkill

- Politics
LegalistativeSkill        (law & Taxation bonus, additional infantry command at last level)
NegotiationSkill        (Rename of Negotiation)(except roman)
CourtousSkill            (+Influence, +agenttraining, +personalsecurity, cause unrest)(Monarchic Counterpart of RhetoricSkill)(except roman, carthage, and other non-monarchic factions)
AdministrativeSkill        (Rename from GoodAdministrator)(except greek, roman)

- Literacy
PoeticSkill

- Other High Arts
MercantileSkill            (Rename from GoodTrader)
MathematicsSkill
AestheticSkill            (rename from Aesthetic)(+Influence, -Squalor, -Management) 
GeographicalSkill        (Movement and mining bonus, last level also give buildpoint bonus)
HistorySkill            (Influence & Morale bonus)


3) Carthage
Description:    Teach art of professions and mercantiles

- Basic    (everyone who graduated this school will get it)
Civilized
Punic_Influence
HellenicStudySkill        (Allow to access Greek skills or retinues)
SemiticStudySkill        (Allow to access Punic/Arabic/Arameic skills or retinues)
EducatedBarbarian        (add level and readjust to indicate literable of barbarian characters)

- Additional Personality
LovesCarthaginian
Miserly                (Combine with Cheapskate)
Greed
Mysterious
Epicurean
Stoic
Pious

- Religions & Philosophy
Superstitious            (allow personal omens)
TheologicalSkill        (knowledge about rites, religious teaching and practice as well as how to exploited it)
AstronomicalSkill        (+morale and +Influence, ability to read battle omen)
PhilosophySkill
    gEpicurean
    gStoic

- Art of Wars
LogisticalSkill

- Politics
NegotiationSkill        (Rename of Negotiation)(except roman)
AdministrativeSkill        (Rename from GoodAdministrator)(except greek, roman)
PoliticsSkill            (not for Eastern and Egyptian)
BarbarianTribalPoliticsSkill    (counterpart of PoliticsSkill for barbarian)(+influence & -unrest, -unit cost at high level)

- Literacy
PoeticSkill
RhetoricSkill            (except Monarchic faction)

- Other High Arts
MercantileSkill            (Rename from GoodTrader)
MathematicsSkill
EconomicsSkill
FarmingSkill            (Rename from GoodFarmer)(Farming and Unrest bonus)
MaritimeSkill            (Change from GoodMaritime)
GeographicalSkill        (Movement and mining bonus, last level also give buildpoint bonus)
HistorySkill            (Influence & Morale bonus)
BarbarianCraftandArt


4) Alexandria
Description:     Teach about Mathemetic and Medicines

- Basic    (everyone who graduated this school will get it)
Egyptian_Influence
Hellenic_Influence
HellenicStudySkill        (Allow to access Greek skills or retinues)
EgyptianStudySkill        (Allow to access Egyptian skills or retinues)
SemiticStudySkill         (Allow to access Punic/Arabic/Arameic skills or retinues)

- Additional Personality
LovesEgyptian
Platon
Pythagorean

- Religions & Philosophy
Superstitious            (allow personal omens)
AstronomicalSkill        (+morale and +Influence, ability to read battle omen)
PhilosophySkill
    gPlaton
    gPythagorean
NaturalPhilosophySkill
IsisMysteries

- Art of Wars
LogisticalSkill
GreekPankrationSkill

- Politics
CourtousSkill            (+Influence, +agenttraining, +personalsecurity, cause unrest)(Monarchic Counterpart of RhetoricSkill)(except roman, carthage, and other non-monarchic factions)
AdministrativeSkill        (Rename from GoodAdministrator)(except greek, roman)

- Literacy
PoeticSkill

- Other High Arts
FarmingSkill            (Rename from GoodFarmer)(Farming and Unrest bonus)
MathematicsSkill
EngineeringSkill        (Merging between GoodMiner and GoodEngineer)
GeographicalSkill        (Movement and mining bonus, last level also give buildpoint bonus)
HistorySkill            (Influence & Morale bonus)
MedicalSkill            (battleSurgery & Health bonus)


5) Pergamon
Description:     Teach about arts and war

- Basic    (everyone who graduated this school will get it)
Anatolian_Influence
Hellenic_Influence
HellenicStudySkill        (Allow to access Greek skills or retinues)

- Additional Personality
LovesGreek
Epicurean
Cynic

- Religions & Philosophy
AstronomicalSkill        (+morale and +Influence, ability to read battle omen)
PhilosophySkill
    gEpicurean
    gCynic
NaturalPhilosophySkill
SabaziosCults
    Sky
CybeleCults
    Earth

- Art of Wars
StrategicSkill
TacticalSkill
GreekPankrationSkill
HorsemanshipSkill        (+movement, +valour, additional cavalry command at last level)

- Politics
LegalistativeSkill        (law & Taxation bonus, additional infantry command at last level)
CourtousSkill            (+Influence, +agenttraining, +personalsecurity, cause unrest)(Monarchic Counterpart of RhetoricSkill)(except roman, carthage, and other non-monarchic factions)

- Literacy
PoeticSkill

- Other High Arts
ArchitectSkill
AestheticSkill            (rename from Aesthetic)(+Influence, -Squalor, -Management) 
GeographicalSkill        (Movement and mining bonus, last level also give buildpoint bonus)
HistorySkill            (Influence & Morale bonus)



6) Athens
Description:     Teach about philosophical schools and Economy

- Basic    (everyone who graduated this school will get it)
Hellenic_Influence
HellenicStudySkill        (Allow to access Greek skills or retinues)

- Additional Personality
LovesGreek
Epicurean
Stoic
Cynic
Skeptic
Platon
Peripatetic
Pythagorean

- Religions & Philosophy
PhilosophySkill
    gEpicurean
    gStoic
    gCynic
    gSkeptic
    gPlaton
    gPeripatetic
    gPythagorean
NaturalPhilosophySkill
EleusinianMysteries
    Earth

- Art of Wars
GreekPankrationSkill

- Politics
LegalistativeSkill        (law & Taxation bonus, additional infantry command at last level)
PoliticsSkill            (not for Eastern and Egyptian)
NegotiationSkill        (Rename of Negotiation)(except roman)

- Literacy
RhetoricSkill            (except Monarchic faction)

- Other High Arts
MercantileSkill            (Rename from GoodTrader)
MaritimeSkill            (Change from GoodMaritime)
EconomicsSkill



7) Rhodes
Description:     Teach about Art, Mercantile and Rhetoric

- Basic    (everyone who graduated this school will get it)
Hellenic_Influence
HellenicStudySkill        (Allow to access Greek skills or retinues)

- Additional Personality
GoodSiegeDefender
LovesGreek
Skeptic
Peripatetic

- Religions & Philosophy
AstronomicalSkill        (+morale and +Influence, ability to read battle omen)
PhilosophySkill
    gSkeptic
    gPeripatetic
NaturalPhilosophySkill

- Art of Wars
GreekPankrationSkill

- Politics
NegotiationSkill        (Rename of Negotiation)(except roman)

- Literacy
PoeticSkill
RhetoricSkill            (except Monarchic faction)

- Other High Arts
ArchitectSkill
EconomicsSkill
AestheticSkill            (rename from Aesthetic)(+Influence, -Squalor, -Management) 
MercantileSkill            (Rename from GoodTrader)
MaritimeSkill            (Change from GoodMaritime)



8) Syracuse
Description:     Teach mathematic and Siegecrafts

- Basic    (everyone who graduated this school will get it)
Hellenic_Influence
HellenicStudySkill        (Allow to access Greek skills or retinues)

- Additional Personality
LovesGreek
Stoic
Pythagorean
Authoritarian
GoodSiegeAttacker
GoodSiegeDefender

- Religions & Philosophy
AstronomicalSkill        (+morale and +Influence, ability to read battle omen)
PhilosophySkill
    gStoic
    gPythagorean
NaturalPhilosophySkill

- Art of Wars
StrategicSkill
TacticalSkill
GreekPankrationSkill

- Politics
PoliticsSkill (not for Eastern and Egyptian)

- Literacy
PoeticSkill

- Other High Arts
FarmingSkill             (Rename from GoodFarmer)(Farming and Unrest bonus)
MathematicsSkill
ArchitectSkill
EngineeringSkill        (Merging between GoodMiner and GoodEngineer)
GeographicalSkill        (Movement and mining bonus, last level also give buildpoint bonus)


9) Sparta
Description:     Turn character into "THIS! IS! SPARTA!"

- Basic    (everyone who graduated this school will get it)
Spartan
Superstitious            (allow personal omens)

- Additional Personality
Austere
Olympic
Bomonikes
HaleAndHearty
Impetuous
BattleScarred
BloodHumour
Energetic
Disciplinarian
HarshRuler

- Religions & Philosophy
Pious
AstronomicalSkill        (+morale and +Influence, ability to read battle omen)

- Art of Wars
StrategicSkill
TacticalSkill
GreekPankrationSkill

- Politics
Xenophobia
Authoritarian
InspiringSpeaker

- Literacy
PoeticSkill
RhetoricSkill            (except Monarchic faction)

- Other High Arts


10) Sarmizegetusa
Description:    teach knowledge about trade and profession

- Basic    (everyone who graduated this school will get it)
HellenicStudySkill        (Allow to access Greek skills or retinues)

- Additional Personality
Sobriety
Austere
Thoughtful            (Rename from ThinkerSkill)

- Religions & Philosophy
Superstitious            (allow personal omens)
ZalmoxisCults
    PriestOfZalmoxisAspect    (allowed western civilized Skill traits)
AsceticSkill            (Rename from ReligiousAscetics)
AstronomicalSkill        (+morale and +Influence, ability to read battle omen)
NaturalPhilosophySkill

- Art of Wars
HorsemanshipSkill        (+movement, +valour, additional cavalry command at last level)
BarbarianHuntingSkill
BarbarianWarriorSkill
BarbarianBandOfBrothers

- Politics
Just
MobilizingSkill            (Change from GoodRecruiter)(Change to reduce construction cost at peace, reduce farm and training cost at war)(except greek, roman, carthaginian)
LegalistativeSkill        (law & Taxation bonus, additional infantry command at last level)
NegotiationSkill        (Rename of Negotiation)(except roman)
BarbarianTribalPoliticsSkill    (counterpart of PoliticsSkill for barbarian)(+influence & -unrest, -unit cost at high level)

- Literacy
BarbarianBardicSkill
EducatedBarbarian        (add level and readjust to indicate literable of barbarian characters)

- Other High Arts
MercantileSkill            (Rename from GoodTrader)
MathematicsSkill
PhilosophySkill
BarbarianCraftandArt
BarbarianHerbalisticSkill    (conterpart of MedicalSkill, give less battlesurgery but additional furtility)



11) Cenabum
Description:    teach knowledge about law and management

- Basic    (everyone who graduated this school will get it)
HellenicStudySkill        (Allow to access Greek skills or retinues)
CelticStudySkill        (Allow to access Barbarian skills or retinues)

- Additional Personality
Austere
Mysterious
Thoughtful            (Rename from ThinkerSkill)

- Religions & Philosophy
Superstitious            (allow personal omens)
CernunnosCults
    DruidAspect        (allowed western civilized Skill traits)
AstronomicalSkill        (+morale and +Influence, ability to read battle omen)
NaturalPhilosophySkill

- Art of Wars

- Politics
Just
Feudalist
MobilizingSkill            (Change from GoodRecruiter)(Change to reduce construction cost at peace, reduce farm and training cost at war)(except greek, roman, carthaginian)
NegotiationSkill        (Rename of Negotiation)(except roman)
AdministrativeSkill        (Rename from GoodAdministrator)(except greek, roman)
BarbarianOralTradition        (change to counterpart of LegalistativeSkill)
BarbarianBandOfBrothers
BarbarianTribalPoliticsSkill    (counterpart of PoliticsSkill for barbarian)(+influence & -unrest, -unit cost at high level)

- Literacy
BarbarianBardicSkill
EducatedBarbarian        (add level and readjust to indicate literable of barbarian characters)

- Other High Arts
MathematicsSkill
PhilosophySkill
BarbarianHerbalisticSkill    (conterpart of MedicalSkill, give less battlesurgery but additional furtility)



12) Anglesey
Description:    teach knowledge about military and craft

- Basic    (everyone who graduated this school will get it)
CelticStudySkill        (Allow to access Barbarian skills or retinues)

- Additional Personality
Austere
Mysterious
Noctophilia

- Religions & Philosophy
Superstitious            (allow personal omens)
CernunnosCults
    DruidAspect        (allowed western civilized Skill traits)
AstronomicalSkill        (+morale and +Influence, ability to read battle omen)

- Art of Wars
StrategicSkill
TacticalSkill
Berserker
BarbarianHuntingSkill
BarbarianWarriorSkill
BarbarianBandOfBrothers

- Politics
Xenophobia
HarshJustice
MobilizingSkill            (Change from GoodRecruiter)(Change to reduce construction cost at peace, reduce farm and training cost at war)(except greek, roman, carthaginian)
BarbarianTribalPoliticsSkill    (counterpart of PoliticsSkill for barbarian)(+influence & -unrest, -unit cost at high level)

- Literacy
EducatedBarbarian        (add level and readjust to indicate literable of barbarian characters)

- Other High Arts
MercantileSkill            (Rename from GoodTrader)
MaritimeSkill            (Change from GoodMaritime)
BarbarianCraftandArt

[Shadow_LT]

Nice
Is this going to be in the next XC release ?

[Suppanut]

Yes, it suppose to.

[dunty12]

Way to be suppanut, good work on your traits and supply system. This idea has so many possibilities. Yesterday I read this post and what you were planning and it got me thinking about temples. The Temple of Yahweh in particular. In a campaign I wanted to relocate my capital to Jerusalem. What effect could that have on my faction's culture overall? Maybe if I keep my general's in Jerusalem long enough they would develop a trait such as ''Adopted Judaic customs'', ''Influenced by the Jews'', ''hates the Egyptians''. Or they were effected by the temple of Yahweh and were given a trait ''Follower of Yahweh'', ''shuns false gods'', and ''dislikes idol worship''. The monotheistic view sounds like a really cool idea suppanut. The coming of age family members that spend their three years at the academy or place of higher learning in Jerusalem will graduate with deeper trait's such as ''Hebrew Study Skill'', ''Rabbi tutor'', ''speaks Hebrew'', and ''studies Hebrew texts''. It would be nice if even only the young coming of age family members that were schooled in Jerusalem, received special traits for growing up, and for being educated and influenced in the location of Jerusalem, the temple of Yahweh, the academy, and a building made for the further study of religion all combined in the city of Jerusalem. Only then will the family member gain these special influential traits aside from those that weren't. Further more I have two question's please.

1.Can Rome build a coliseum? For some reason I'm thinking that was in vanilla rtw because they could recruit gladiators what ever happened to that? I think it would be cool to be able to build a huge coliseum in Rome and host shows monthly or whatever to keep the people happy, and train those gladiator units that I don't see anymore.

2.In this present version of xc can I build the temple of Yahweh in any other place besides Jerusalem? So I can rid the other nations of their false gods and spread the good word by force

thanx guys

[Suppanut]

Way to be suppanut, good work on your traits and supply system. This idea has so many possibilities. Yesterday I read this post and what you were planning and it got me thinking about temples. The Temple of Yahweh in particular. In a campaign I wanted to relocate my capital to Jerusalem. What effect could that have on my faction's culture overall? Maybe if I keep my general's in Jerusalem long enough they would develop a trait such as ''Adopted Judaic customs'', ''Influenced by the Jews'', ''hates the Egyptians''. Or they were effected by the temple of Yahweh and were given a trait ''Follower of Yahweh'', ''shuns false gods'', and ''dislikes idol worship''. The monotheistic view sounds like a really cool idea suppanut. The coming of age family members that spend their three years at the academy or place of higher learning in Jerusalem will graduate with deeper trait's such as ''Hebrew Study Skill'', ''Rabbi tutor'', ''speaks Hebrew'', and ''studies Hebrew texts''. It would be nice if even only the young coming of age family members that were schooled in Jerusalem, received special traits for growing up, and for being educated and influenced in the location of Jerusalem, the temple of Yahweh, the academy, and a building made for the further study of religion all combined in the city of Jerusalem. Only then will the family member gain these special influential traits aside from those that weren't.

I must apologize that I could not follow this suggestion due to...

1. No one will able to build temple of Yahweh outside Jerusalem as at that time Jewish have doctrine that Temple of Yahweh must have only one and must in Jerusalem only or else will be Blasphemous.

2. Judaism was and even now still very exclusive religions. they didn't seek convert from people outsider except marriage, but they rarely did this in the past due to their idea about their exclusiveness, but yet convert also possible. First abrahamic religion that actively seek proselyting outsider is christianity, and this doctrine developed by Paul of Tarsus, aka St. Paul, who was hellenistic jew by definition.

3. Synagogue isn't temple by definition, it was like club where jewish people in diaspora gather and discuss all topic in antiquity, And Rabbi still very new thing in Jewish society at that time. Rabbi also not priest, as priest only in Temple of Solomon, but they were sage in jewish society. Religious role of Synagogues and Rabbis come only after destruction of second temple by roman but formalized only after 200 AD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbi

4. At that time, other than Jewish, there also other religion that also monothism, Zoroastrianism and it is only temple for Parthia faction. If you like to proselyting the world then you should play Parthia, although they were not serious about smash idols until time of Sassanid.

Further more I have two question's please.

1.Can Rome build a coliseum? For some reason I'm thinking that was in vanilla rtw because they could recruit gladiators what ever happened to that? I think it would be cool to be able to build a huge coliseum in Rome and host shows monthly or whatever to keep the people happy, and train those gladiator units that I don't see anymore.

Gladiators are Rebel only's units in XC4. And Gladiator historically came from Gladiatorial schools not from Coliseum. Place that famous for gladiatorial schools were Tripolitania in North Africa and Campania in Southern Italy.

2.In this present version of xc can I build the temple of Yahweh in any other place besides Jerusalem? So I can rid the other nations of their false gods and spread the good word by force

thanx guys

Current version, If Saba upgrade temple of one god, like Zarathustra, then it will end up turn into temple of Yahweh.

[dunty12]

That's true it was and still is an exclusive religion/club but like you said there is a possibility of convert. Also I looked at every middle eastern factions temples and the only temple dedicated to one creator is the Armenian temple of Aramazd which is similar to Zeus. Saba had no such temple called Zarathustra and the Persian temples were all dedicated to the Mazda god.

[LucretiusTC]

That's true it was and still is an exclusive religion/club but like you said there is a possibility of convert. Also I looked at every middle eastern factions temples and the only temple dedicated to one creator is the Armenian temple of Aramazd which is similar to Zeus. Saba had no such temple called Zarathustra and the Persian temples were all dedicated to the Mazda god.

What Suppanut is trying to say is that Parthia and Saba are the only Factions who have the temple of one god in this game. If the Parthians have built the temple of Ahura Madza, and you are playing the Sabaean Faction, then there is a chance to upgrade it to the temple of Yahweh. We added this option for Saba as the closest "relative" to the Jewish people with the limits of this game. Besides "the second temple of Yahweh in Jerusalem" is one of the special buildings that are adding some historical details and accuracy to this game.

Here you can find the basic structure of the Sabaean temple system:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...120148&page=14

As we know there were already strong Jewish communities outside Israel during the Hellenistic Era (e.g. Alexandria, Antioch and Babylonia), but the temple of Yahweh in Jerusalem remained the central place in Jewish religion until the Romans detroyed it in 70 CE, and it started the diaspora that changed the nature of Judaism permanently.

Luc.

[sexsit]

Guys when will all this be in XC....or allready is in gamma 2?

[Suppanut]

In future version, XC4 Delta.