No ETW Integration for NTW: Does It Matter?

I'm curious, now that we know that NTW will not integrate into Empire, does that change your attitude toward NTW?

Nope, my attitude has been the same. I'm not touching NTW until the community soaks it with praise, regardless of whether or not it integrated in ETW

Originally Posted by erasmus777

I'm curious, now that we know that NTW will not integrate into Empire, does that change your attitude toward NTW?

Well of course. Because it makes my purchase of ETW a complete waste of my money and that they lied about fixing the game. As a result hell will have to freeze over before I purchase NTW.

If the cannot be trusted to keep their word with ETW why should we belive them over NTW? The early signs show that they`re doing the same crap all over again and simply ignoring any complaints, responding only to observations about uniforms. pathetic.

FIX the glaring flaws in Empires before going onto the next thing.

IF CA\SEGA gave us NTW free in place of the aborted ETW we paid for I`d accept that.

I want NTW to out shine ETW in every way, so no intergration is perfectly fine with me, it would be nice, but I prefer they put the spotlight on Napoleon (maybe just because its my favourite period in history!)

I'm a little confused at how quickly they changed positions here. In a span of a few weeks they went from saying some NTW changes would retrofit to ETW to no compatibility at all? They've been developing this game since at least August, you'd think they'd have known earlier...

I'm starting to wonder whether or not the German article this poll is based on was accurately translated? Someone used Google Translator, but did/can a German-speaking person confirm or clarify just to be certain?

If true, then I'm quite disappointed. I like Empire fine as it is, but I was hoping NTW for ETW would do something like what the Retrofit Mod did for M2TW.

From the moment Mike Simpson said they don`t know if they could put the stuff from NTW to ETW, but they` might if they could`, those of us who could read between the lines KNEW that this was forked tongue talk for `It`s never going to happen`.

Some of you give them far too much trust.

Originally Posted by Humble Warrior

From the moment Mike Simpson said they don`t know if they could put the stuff from NTW to ETW, but they` might if they could`, those of us who could read between the lines KNEW that this was forked tongue talk for `It`s never going to happen`.

Some of you give them far too much trust.

that's very true but I knew it even before the announcement. I knew it when NTW was announced that was the death knell for ETW... they finished up the patch they were working on, patch 1.4, then dropped ETW like a sack of potatoes. and, yes, OP, I am angry.

I don't think it matters that much. Empire as a product was ambitious, in some ways very succesful, and in others it was mediocre. It's a shame, because with a few more months of polish it could have been a very good new entry in the series, rather than a bit of a missed opportunity. Concept was great, execution not so great.

Napoleon now, the fact that it doesn't integrate probably just means that Sega is taking the opportunity of re-launching the Empire engine in a new product which doesn't need you to own ETW, and maybe make a bit more money. I'm sure new titles make more cash for them than expansions... I'm not sure if that's really cynical or just good business sense.

The things that annoy me are that in some ways the game engine went backwards from Med2 to ETW. Suddenly lots of sliding soldiers, catching on the edges of stuff and so on, all of that was pretty solid in Med2 and even in RTW.

Of course i am angry. i played it 2 times and quit. we were promised that there would be a mulitplayer campaign, that there would be modding tools, that CA would continue to support ETW. Really, if they supported the modding community then why didn't they support medieval2 or ETW. I cannot buy NTW simply because i know that they won't support it. Actions speak louder than words and i need them to show me i can trust them once again before i buy their game.

As long as NTW will be moddable, so that it can be modded to use a map with a scale of ETW, it won't matter. Since NTW uses the same engine with some modifications, the game can't be probably modded any more than ETW without modding tools.

Sorry chaps, I think CA have moved on, ETW was an experiment and first real gunpowder game for TW series, It sold well I believe! However CA realised that a lot of fundamental changes were needed for the next gunpowder edition, They have learned? what works and what does not, from their feedback of ETW.The game is evolving still,A lot now depends on their strategy of development for future editions of the series, will they produce as I think they will a series of short victorian era campaigns,before making a move to a grand campaign of whatever era would be the most popular and commercially viable.

I don't care if NTW will be great. But if NTW is c...same like ETW, than I'll be very pissed.

Disappointed is putting it lightly.

Originally Posted by rubenandthejets

Disappointed is putting it lightly.

More like ing angry.

As Magpie says, ETW was pretty much CA's experimental first foray into the horse and musket era and despite selling well it has been a bit of a disappointment at a number of levels. Let's hope that NTW takes us forward with a product where CA has learnt some valuable lessons and is able to get the franchise back on track.

If NTW is more succesful format then there are indeed a number of potential scenarios that would make suitable expansions. Moreover, I would hope that these would not be limited to the 19th Century, indeed, I hope that they would consider revisiting the Malburian Era, the War of the Austrian Succession and Seven Years War, individually, and do them justice rather than the current hotchpotch that is ETW, that tries to be everything but achieves very little when it comes to capturing the atmosphere of any of those conflicts.

So, in many ways, NTW integrating directly with ETW is rather academic.

well i dont like to complain, but this is a bit annoying how they would literaly admit to doing a half assed job, then say we fixed it but not for the game you guys have. They need to rethink there stategy. Id say im slightly angry but not enough to not buy napoleon.

It matters a lot. But I will still buy the game. Backwards-compatibility - while important - is secondary to the game itself. The campaign maps seem far more dense in terms of provinces than ETW. This is good news for modders, as is the fact that different regiments will apparently have their own banners.

I'm amazed to see the talk of "I'm happy that I was lied to about Empire support, because I know that Napoleon will be so much better than Empire that it would be like fitting a rotting hagfish with golden wings". We can see quite clearly that N:TW is an improvement, but not a vast one. The same mistakes are being made and much of the bad is being retained.

Maybe I will be proven wrong and CA will issue the world with a game so outstanding that it is impossible to remain angry with them. I'm afraid I tend to acknowledge probability when judging possibilities, so I can't convince myself to happily accept this news.

If they were forced to work under ETW limitations and NTW turns out like a bloody ETW patch, then I WILL be angry.

The only thing I want for ETW is mod support, not some shiny features from NTW.

I am not anymore frustrated with CA now after hearing this then when Empire Total War was released. Even though Empire had its disappointments in no way did these aspects warrant purposely deflating user scores on Metacritic or Amazon and downplaying what it truly was, an all around enjoyable game. It's the consumer's fault for letting hype get the best of them. The Total War series is the closet anyone will ever get to a good well-rounded historical empire-building strategy game, and I don't see any comparable competition in the future. Why else would all these history buffs still be hanging around. They ridicule and criticize CA and SEGA and yet at the end of the day the majority purchase the game anyway. I have realistic expectations, Napoleon will be more of same; same AI (content with), bugs at release, naval battle issues, inaccurate uniforms (will upset some), granted there will be fundamental fixes, and this is something I can tolerate. What frustrates me the most about NTW are the limited factions (if confirmed) and the new time system-- which I hope will revert back to the 6 months duration like in Empire for the grand campaign. I'll play some of episodic campaigns but the GC is where I'll probably spend most of my time so hopefully it will be as entertaining as Empire (colonies and such).

If Empire and Napoleon are indeed "experiments" to test this type of warfare for future games, I hope it convinces CA to visit the 16th and 17th centuries (I was hoping for this before ETW was announced) and also, as Tony stated, elaborate on specific events such as the War of Austrian Succession and the Seven Years War.