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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Claremorris View Post
    And the War of the Austrian Succession, to acheive the same object. Note Spain's failure in both cases.
    Yes.

    But note the failure of the british armies in the AWI (remember Pensacola and the french victories in India) and in Cartagena de Indias by a halfman

    In 1734 the king promoted him to General Lieutenant of the Navy. He returned to America with the ships Fuerte and Conquistador in 1737 as General Commander of Cartagena de Indias, a city that he had to defend against the British admiral Edward Vernon in the Battle of Cartagena de Indias (1741) during the War of Jenkins' Ear.
    The British invasion fleet was one of the largest in history (the biggest fleet in history until World War II), numbering 186 vessels (the Spanish Armada, in 1588 had 126 vessels), including ships of the line , frigates, fireships, and transports, with a total complement of 23,600 men, 13,000 of which were land forces (soldiers, marines and machete-armed Jamaican slaves) and some 2,000 cannons. To counter this Blas de Lezo had at his disposal less than 6,000 men including 2,400 regular soldiers, 600 Indian archers, and the crews and troops of six ships of the line: the flagship Galicia and the ships San Felipe, San Carlos, Africa, Dragón and Conquistador. Vernon was pretty sure of the victory, and news were sent to London that Cartagena had been conquered even before the battle had started. Yet Blas de Lezo's tactics took Vernon by surprise. Blas de Lezo ordered all his vessels be sunk, thus blocking the port. A pit was dug around the city walls, in order to prevent a direct assault. Trenches were displayed in zig-zag, in order to avoid the effect of cannon fire. Two soldiers were sent to the English camp, feinting surrender, providing the assailants with false information about the Spanish positions. At night, the Spanish army charged by surprise, using bayonnets, forcing the English army to retreat, despite the fact that they were heavily outnumbered. The naval siege still lasted one more month, until the Royal Navy, suffering heavy losses from tropical diseases, returned utterly defeated to Jamaica.
    The colossal battle lasted 67 days. The defeat of the British forces assured the preservation of the Spanish Empire in the Americas. Blas de Lezo contracted the plague caused by the huge number of unburied corpses. While it is known that he died in Cartagena de Indias, Colombia, his burial site remains lost to history.
    When the news that Cartagena hadn't been conquered reached London, and that the invading fleet had been humiliated by a much inferior force, king George II tried to avoid the truth from being printed, written in history books, or taught at Universities (it is one of the reasons because the fate of this fleet and his defeat is comonnly unkown). Vernon was buried with honours in Westminster.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_...gena_de_Indias

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    Oh I was by no means trying to insult Spain. I rather respect the Spanish. I was slighting the policies of Elisabeth of Parma, who Philip V allowed to draw him into conflicts in which he could not succeed.
    "Ghlaoigh tú anuas ar an Toirneach, agus anois bain an Chuaifeach."

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    Oh, no, sir! i beg your pardon. I didn´t think about an insult against Spain, only want expose the different lucky of both Empires, one day wins and the next you lost!
    Thanks m´lord and congratulations, you got a good knowledgement about History

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    Take a look to this information of:

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    Royal Catalan Guards flags

    As told in my last post here, there was an important misinterpretation on a key paragraph of F. Castellví's Memoirs -that one concerning the detailed description of Royal Catalan Guards flags in 1705-1713.

    The precise Castellví's Memories paragraph transcription is as follows: El segundo [regimiento] fue el que mandó formar el emperador ocupada Barcelona en noviembre de 1705 para su guardia y le nombró "Regimiento de Reales Guardias Catalanas". Tenía en sus banderas las armas reales de España y al centro del escudo las de Austria y lema que decía: "Donec Perficiam" con la imagen de la Puríssima Concepción a la otra parte.

    This can be translated into English as The second [Regiment] was created under Emperor orders after the occupation of Barcelona in November 1705, and was named "Royal Catalan Guards". Their flags showed the Royal Coat of Arms of Spain [on one side] with the arms of Austria at its center (?), along with the motto "Donec Perficiam" ("Until Prevailing"?). At the other side, it showed an image of Virgin Mary [see images below].

    Again, F. Castellví only describes the flags' main figures, without any mention to their background colour, eventual Burgundian crosses, double-headed eagles or flaming borders, although none of them can be plainly discarded -for some might likely have been a default device -so that the author considered unnecessary to emphasize such details, for these were the usual ones. There is no reference to eventual differences between Colonel and Battalion flags either, so that we are tempted to suppose them to have been identical. In the end, this re-interpreted text allows a quite familiar design to arise, radically different from the first one we had drawn some days ago:




    I must admit to have experienced a relief after this revealing, for my first recreation of this Regiment's flags had resulted in a design that was highly contradictory with the hypothesis formulated in our Catalonia Stands Alone booklet. Moreover, beyond confirming them, this new re-interpretation strongly suggests that Royal Catalan Guards flags design was likely in the basis of the standard Infantry Colonel Flag defined in the 1706 Ordnances of Charles' III Habsburg.


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    Royal Catalan Guards, 1705-1713

    To carry with Charles Habsburg' royal bodyguard duties, it was designed at first to create two regiments, infantry and cavalry, under the name of Royal Catalan Guards. Following this decision, by November 1705 it was raised a full infantry regiment formed by 10 fusiliers and 1 grenadiers companies, all of whose officers were rural Catalan noblemen, collectively known as Vigatans for being most of them natural to Vic town.

    However, war needings soon forced the unit to extend activity far beyond their original bodyguard mission, so that in fact they operated as an elite infantry regiment, so becoming involved in most of the most significative fightings all through the war: 1706 defence of Barcelona and campaign of Aragon, 1707 first occupation of Madrid, 1708 defence of Catalonian borders, 1709 relief of Balaguer, 1710 battles of Almenar, Saragossa and Brihuega-Villaviciosa, as well as second occupation of Madrid. The regiment was formally evacuated from Catalonia on July 1713 along with the rest of Allied forces, although in fact most officers and troops chose to stay and defend their homeland. The Diputació General, or Catalan Goverment, then formed with them the 1713-1714 Nostra Senyora del Roser Regiment (cf. our booklet Catalonia Stands Alone).

    According to the contemporary Catalan Military and Historian Francesc de Castellví, Royal Catalan Guards were dressed in yellow uniforms, for this was the House of Habsburg device colour. Moreover, it has been revealed that in 1706 they were provided by the Kingdom of England with 500 yellow coats with blue facings. However, the young Historian X. Rubio seems to suggest in his book Almenar 1710 that, by this time, facings were red. According to this, we might assume Royal Catalan Guards uniform as follows:


    • Coat: yellow
    • Facings: blue (later red?)
    • Waistcoat: blue?
    • Trousers: yellow?
    • Stockings: yellow?
    • Buttons: golden?
    • Hat border: white?
    • Cockade: yellow?

    As already revealed at our booklet Catalonia Stands Alone for a later stage of war, no Austro-Catalan regiment flags description known contains any reference to double-headed eagles or Burgundian crosses, and such is the case of Royal Catalan Guards too. The description transcribed by www.11setembre1714.org states their flags showed at the anverse, the arms of the various Hispanic Kingdoms, with the Arms of Austria at its centre; in our oppinion, this central device would likely be the personal coat of arms of Charles Habsburg (not any double-headed eagle as Kühn and other sources use to state, for eagle was by then exclusive to Leopold as Emperor of Germany). Otherwise, we find it likely that the flag carried a red Burgundian cross as a background, in spite of not being mentioned there, for this had been the most genuine Spanish military device since Charles I times. At the obverse, the flag showed a Virgin Mary image over the motto "Donec Perficiam" ("Until Prevailing"?). You can see next our interpretation of such description:



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    Ahumada Regiment, 1704-1713

    Although it was in the Crown of Aragon where Archduke Charles found a strongest support to his claims for the thrones of Spain, the first Spanish military unit under his service was built by a Castilian high rank aristocrat, commanded by Castilian noblemen and filled mainly by Castilian conscripts. This unit was formally established with 560 men in June 1703, on exile in Lisbon, on the initiative of Juan Tomás Enríquez de Cabrera, Duke of Río Seco, Count of Melgar, comissioned Admiral of Castile. Therefore, the unit was initially named after him, Tercio del Almirante de Castilla. The new Tercio was granted its flags in 1704 and was renamed as Regimiento de Ahumada on next year, after the death of Enríquez de Cabrera.

    Under its new commander, Ahumada Regiment fought all through the war in Valencia, Aragon, the 1710 campaign to Madrid, and Catalonia, until its evacuation from the Peninsula in 1713. Since then, Ahumada Regiment entered Imperial service, being a little afterwards rebuilt along with other evacuated units, resulting in the Imperial Infantry Regiment n. 44, Ahumada. It was disbanded in 1724 and joined to the I. I. R. n. 50, Alcaudete.

    It is still uncertain its 1704-1713 uniform but, according Kühn & Hall, by 1716 it was as follows:


    • Coat: pearl grey
    • Facings: red
    • Waistcoat: red
    • Trousers: pearl grey
    • Stockings: pearl grey (maybe red)
    • Buttons: silvered or white
    • Hat border: white
    • Cartridge box: black

    Image above left is a speculative extrapolation back from these data, in order to show how might this Regiment uniform be during the 1704-1713 period.

    As for Ahumada Colonel flag, nothing is actually known but it can be infered that it would likely show a red Burgundy cross on a plain white field, as prescribed since 1685 during Charles II reign (see image at right). About Battalion flags, these are described -according to www.11setembre1714.org- as follows: Obverse: the Coat of Arms of the Kingdom of Castile over the Latin motto "Pro Lege, Patria et Rege" (For Law, Homeland, and King). Reverse: Santiago, or Saint James of Compostela, again over a Latin motto "Sanctus Jacobus Hispaniae Patronus". Beneath, Enriquez de Cabrera's own coat of arms. Likely these were changed in 1705 by those of the new Colonel, Count of Ahumada. No more details are known, but we can suppose them to have shown these figures and mottos on a Burgundy cross, too. Unlike Colonel's, Battalion flags might have had a background other than white -likely yellow, white and/or red, for these three were the Enríquez de Cabrera's Coat of Arms main colours. It can't be discarded to have had a flames pattern combining some or all of them, too. Images below are a speculative reconstruction based on the given description.




    The "Joseph Marco" Mountain Fusiliers Company




    It has just been created a new historical re-enactment group in Valencia focused on the War of Spanish Succession (1705-1714). It has been formed as a part of the Valencian Napoleonic Association with the support of the Fencing Hall James I The Conqueror, and it is devoted to re-enacting the Valencian Mountain Fusiliers Company (or Miquelets) named after its Captain, Joseph Marco aka "El Penjadet", who was one of the most faithful captains under General Joan B. Basset in the War of Spanish Succession (1705-1714). The Partida de Miquelets de Joseph Marco is one of the few Catalan-Aragonese military units that served all through the war, since its outbreak in the Peninsula up to its very end: they were already present in the military uprising of Valencia, the Battle of Xiva in 1706, the siege of Xàtiva in 1707 or the reconquest of Castell de Guadalest (1708). Even in the last stages of war (1713-1714), when nearly all was already lost and an isolated Catalonia hurried to a defence at all costs, Joseph Marco's unit contributed decisively to the defence of Barcelona face to Philip d'Anjou's forces, on behalf of the Liberties of the Kingdom of Valencia and the Principality of Catalonia.

    According to the History website www.11setembre1714.org, the new historical recreation group will take part in the 202 centennial of the Battle of Almansa (25 April 1707), along with its partner association in Catalonia, Miquelets de Catalunya. There were actually no Catalan-Aragonese troops in that battle, so that both groups will be re-enacting the Portuguese troops in the Allied Army.

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    Batalla de l'11 de Setembre
    (1714, 11-setembre) September 11 Battle for Barcelona

    Here are two pictures with catalan troops of the pro-austrian pretender
    Carlos III
    Ferida del Conseller en Cap Rafael Casanova amb el Penó (i/o Bandera) de Santa Eulàlia (Hurt of the Conseller en Cap Rafael Casanova with the flag of Santa Eulàlia)


    Contraatac del Conseller en Cap Rafael Casanova amb el Penó (i/o Bandera) de Santa Eulàlia (couterattack of the Conseller en Cap Rafael Casanova with the flag of Santa Eulàlia)


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    Catalonian Armies (1713-1714)

    http://www.11setembre1714.org


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    Rafael Casanova i Comes, leader of the Catalonian Armies


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    Excelllent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! These images are helpful

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    TERCIO DE LOS MORADOS VIEJOS

    http://asociacion1707.blogspot.com/




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    Regimiento de la Diputación de la Generalitat



    Regimiento Aragon 1711

    http://www.aetasrationis.com



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    Take a look to this blog

    http://lacouronnealmansa.blogspot.com

    A spanish association who recreates the french regiment "La Couronne"

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    Great Could you post here all your infos about Spain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Louise Assurbanipal View Post
    Great Could you post here all your infos about Spain?
    Hi King! yes, of course, first the internet resources and them my resources

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    all pics you have

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    Artillery








    First: fusilero del regimiento Toledo de infanteria de línea, 1.800.
    Second: fusilero de línea Regimiento de Infantería número 5, 1.803.
    Third: soldado de caballería de línea del regimiento del Rey, 1.804.
    Fourth: fusilero del Regimiento Irlanda, 1.806.




    Compañia Fija de San Blas (Mexico)



    -Oficial Regimiento de Húsares.
    -Portaestandartes dragones Lusitania.
    -Artilleria volante reales guardias de corps.
    -Oficial infanteria ligera.



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    CATALAN ARMY

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    Excellent sir! I had hoped you wouldn't take that as an insult. And you are absolutely right, even the strongest countries endure some surprising setbacks. I find the British attack on Cartegena fascinating, since they were so superior they should have won, yet the Spaniards valiantly repulsed them. Nice pictures by the way.
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    ADVANCED TECHNOLOGYlook at the officers hand)
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    carricanta
    I'll be giving You REPs for the next 5 years for this

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    Thanks Salvo, but look, the officer hold a metalized banana in his hand...

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