Historical units - thread helpful and useful for players and CA

KLAssurbanipal · November 26, 2009 09:23 PM

I've started this topic to help CA in doing historically accurate units for N:TW. I've put some characteristical units for different counties below. Please, keep the details (f.e. don't give Hussars long Cuirassiers' shoes like you did in E:TW).Also pay attention to moustaches, haircuts, etc. Each regiment had it's own rules that made it different from the others. Differences should not be in colour of waistcoats, symbols on sleeves and hats but in how dirty and worn-out the uniforms are.
Very important issue is that the uniforms fit it's period. On screens and trailers showing Italian and Egyptian campaign, we can see uniforms from the late period of Napleonic wars. Uniforms from the end of the 18th century to 1807 greatly differed from those from years 1807-1815. Some reforms had place in European armies - soldiers started to wear new style uniforms. For the period of late 18th century-1807 very characteristical were bicorne (some tricorne: Prussia) and gaiters. The jackets were usually long. In the later stage the hats were displaced with shako. Bicorne after 1807 were only worn in guard units, elite cavalary and officers.

The first Rifle Corps, Great Britain:

Spanish Line Infatry, 1808:

Spanish grenadiers, 1808:

French Line Voltigier:

French 8th Cuirassier & Carabinier 2nd Reg't, 1815:

British 1st, 2nd (The Scots Greys) and 6th Dragoons, 1815:

Russian grenadier, Preobrajenski Lifeguard, 1799-1801:

Russian grenadiers, Pavlov Lifeguard, 1806-1814:

Austrian 3rd Hussars, 1st Uhlans and Dragoons, 1799-1801:

Austrian 1st Light Dragoons, 5th Dragoons, 1798-1802:

Austrian 10th Hussars, 8th Cuirassiers:

Austrian 5th and 4th Hussars, 1805:

Austria, Hungarian grenadier 1798-1816, Hungarian fusilier 1798-1810:

Austria, German fusiliers, 1809:

Brunswick Troops, 1815:

Brunswick Hussars, British service, 1813:

Dutch 2nd Cavalry Regiment, 1801:

Dutch Horse Artilleryman, Arilleryman of Royal Guard 1806-10, Dragoon 1805:

Napoleon's Guard Cavalry: Mamelukes and Lithuanian Tartars:

French Old Guard, 1815 and Warship gunner:

Grand Duchy of Warsaw, 4th grenadier and 1st Polish Lancers:

Albanian soldeirs, 1808-1814:

French infantry, Campaign in Italy:

French Carabinier Demi-Brigade Legre, Chasseur a cheval and Fusiliers, Egyptian Campaign:

Spanish Walloon Guard, Hussar and Lancer, 1813:

Westfalian 1st Infantry, 2nd Cuirassier and Drum Major:

Saxony, Garde du Corps, 1806:

Bavarian Lieutenants, Uhlan and Cuirassier, 1813-1815:

Polish Lancers, 1810-1814:

Dutch Lancers, 1811-1814:

Spanish Line Infantry, 1812:

French Guard Infantry 1805-1812:

French Guard Infantry 1812-1815:

Italian soldiers:

French Light Infantry:

French Line Infantry:

Martinique National Guard, 1802-1809:

Polish 5th Cavalry, Chasseur A Cheval and Polish 14th Cavalry, Cuirassier

Prussian Dragoons:

Prussian Hussars:

Prussian Cuirassiers and Garde du Corps, 1809-1813:

Prussian Freikorps, 1806-1807:

Russian Infantry:

Russian Cavalry - Hussar, Dragoon and Cossacks, 1799:

Russian Cavalry - Bashkir and Cossacks (Don, Ural, 'Petersburg') 1812-1814:

Russian Guard Jeager and Czar Cuirassier, 1814:

Portugese soldiers, 1810-1815:

British, 1st Foot Guards, 1808:

British Highlanders, 1812-1815:

British Hussars, 1808 and 1815:

EmperorBatman999 · November 26, 2009 09:45 PM

I hope CA acknowledges these.

johncage · November 26, 2009 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by anonymous ca developer

"Yup belts are missing, won't be changing though all the art parts for units are now done apart from a few bits of bug fixing."

shireknight · November 26, 2009 10:25 PM

LOL I knew if I came here I'd find this thread

Invictus XII · November 26, 2009 11:32 PM

There's already a thread like this, maybe we could merge the two. My Historical Uniforms thread in the Historical Forum.

KLAssurbanipal · November 27, 2009 01:24 AM

Yes

exNowy · November 27, 2009 03:40 AM

Excuse me, King Louise Assurbanipal you put one more topic with historicaly uniforms here. Don't you mind that it does not help CA, because it is too late. NTW will start at february 2010.

You suggest that developers should include units uniforms from early period of Napoleonic Wars and it will be fine, but it needs double units uniforms. So more you put here few specific units like Bashkirs, Tatars, Albanians and even white Fench line infantry uniforms, green Italian infantry, olddated prussian hussars headwears, Westphalian infantry in bicorn hats etc. By the way, this last unit used hats shortly at that period and I do not know if they ever used it in the battle. Is it not too much wishes?

I think that CA can not do all these uniforms. However as I remember Lusted said that they prepare bicorn hats for French infantry in Italian and Egyptian campaigns. Nevetheless CA declarations are missleading sometimes.

Coffee-Fuelled Curmudgeon · November 27, 2009 04:30 AM

You do know that the big word "COPYRIGHT" slapped all over those images means that you shouldn't really reproduce them, don't you?

KLAssurbanipal · November 27, 2009 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by Coffee-Fuelled Curmudgeon

You do know that the big word "COPYRIGHT" slapped all over those images means that you shouldn't really reproduce them, don't you?

I added the big word ''COPYRIGHT'' for its....
These pictures are only helpful for skinners.

Taday CA say ''it's too lat'', but 2 weeks ago they posted not actual screens and said ''there are old graphics, we are working on new uniforms''....

Frost, colonel · November 27, 2009 05:39 AM

Yep, what's the point KLA, I bet it's to late to make any difference now, full 'steam' ahead for CA, and all that!

Jack Lusted · November 27, 2009 07:46 AM

Taday CA say ''it's too lat'', but 2 weeks ago they posted not actual screens and said ''there are old graphics, we are working on new uniforms''....

No, I said they were old pictures, and that newer pictures would be appearing soon. I never said we were making new uniforms, I said new uniforms had already been made but you had just not seen pictures of those units yet. And you have only seen a few units with the final uniforms so far.

And we have quite a few reference books on Napoleonic uniforms, and it is too late now as art asserts are done for units.

panzerschreck · November 27, 2009 08:30 AM

Hello Jack!

I know you can't answer to some of our questions but look at the topic "wil there be more than 20 units?" I think it' s a real ask of total war players to change this limit. I think the game is now finished but would it be possible to give to modders the way to change this limit. Or, what I thougt, to be abble to control the allied army in Custom battle, in a map 2vs2 or 3vs3...

A lot of us have very good computers and should be abble to make battle with 30unitsvs30 or 40vs30. With my computer, by increasing the number of soldiers per unit, I use to have 30 000 or 40 000 on the battlefield. I could do the same with units. At the end, I would like being abble to change the number of cannons per artillery unit.

Douanier · November 27, 2009 08:50 AM

nice,
but most of these pictures are from a much later date, if you want to really be historical accurate its better to look at the drawings made in the napoleonic period itself our just after it,
then you have much more pure sources, for instant these ones
(painted within napoleonic time);

bye

Douanier · November 27, 2009 09:17 AM

loving this one, haha
russian tartar

KLAssurbanipal · November 27, 2009 08:31 AM

Jack_Lusted Tell me though, if you saw that at least a dozen units from the first post will be in the game?
Is there a chance that we will see the Russian grenadiers in Mitre cap (Preobrajenski or Pavlov), Spanish grenadiers in high bearskin cap, Polish Guard lancers, Black brunswickers, Spanish Walloon Guards? and some units from the period 1796-1808? I am referring to soldiers with early Napoleonic period, which wore bicorne hats like that in my post. Could you tell us at least some of these units?

Salvo · November 27, 2009 08:35 AM

Great info friend

REP++

KLAssurbanipal · November 27, 2009 09:37 AM

Great pictures, especially grenadier in mitre cap.

In ETW Prussian Jeagers and British Green jackets are from Napoleonic Wars.

Douanier · November 27, 2009 09:45 AM

In ETW Prussian Jeagers and British Green jackets are from Napoleonic Wars.

yes i know,...i hope they do a better job in ntw, this topic will surely help

Frost, colonel · November 27, 2009 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Douanier

yes i know,...i hope they do a better job in ntw, this topic will surely help

How, when Jack says they have finished already?

Douanier · November 27, 2009 09:58 AM

ok, didnt now that, i dont read all the topics.
then maybe something for the modders

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