Report - Catholic Church enabled and defended child abuse for at least three decades

[removeduser_487563287433]

It's official - in case you didn't already know. The report investigating a sample of 46 priests has confirmed that all four Archbishops of Dublin during the 1960s to 1980s were guilty of the "pre-occupations in dealing with cases of child sexual abuse, at least until the mid 1990s, were the maintenance of secrecy, the avoidance of scandal, the protection of the reputation of the Church, and the preservation of its assets. All other considerations, including the welfare of children and justice for victims, were subordinated to these priorities."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8381119.stm

The individual crimes that the Catholic Church defended range from processing child pornography to rape. One priest confessed to abusing over 100 children, another said he abused a child every two weeks for 25 years.

Pretty damning evidence for the evil of the Church.

[SigniferOne]

Not so much inherent evil, as astounding corruption. Perhaps corruption so vast that in some cases it did indeed turn into evil. That's why I'm much happier being a Protestant, we kind of fought a little conflict (called the Reformation) several centuries ago, precisely for these reasons, as it surely didn't take an atheist to point out what any moral man could see 500 years ago. Many ended up dying to separate ourselves from this system.

[Bwaho]

pedophiles in the catholic church? I'm so surprised right now.

[Arch-hereticK]

It's the investigation into the clerical enablers that has started in earnest that is uncovering some very distastefull news. There are rumours (as there always are) that the church's special position within the state is causing the crimes of the living priests to be brushed under the rug. Even if the rumours are true it doesn't matter as the average life expetency of a priest in Ireland is 5 years anyway.

[Fiyenyaa]

Not so much inherent evil, as astounding corruption. Perhaps corruption so vast that in some cases it did indeed turn into evil. That's why I'm much happier being a Protestant, we kind of fought a little conflict (called the Reformation) several centuries ago, precisely for these reasons, as it surely didn't take an atheist to point out what any moral man could see 500 years ago. Many ended up dying to separate ourselves from this system.

You really think no Protestant ministers are involved in cases of child sex abuse?
The only thing they don't have is a massive international bureaucracy to shuffle the offenders around in order for them not to get caught.

I'm glad you think that the massive conflicts in which thousands died were worth sorting out whether a cracker turns into some dead guys body, anyway. Sounds like it was definitely worth it.

[removeduser_487563287433]

You really think no Protestant ministers are involved in cases of child sex abuse?
The only thing they don't have is a massive international bureaucracy to shuffle the offenders around in order for them not to get caught.

I'm glad you think that the massive conflicts in which thousands died were worth sorting out whether a cracker turns into some dead guys body, anyway. Sounds like it was definitely worth it.

I think there are far, far fewer protestant priests doing this, as they can have wives and engage in health, normal human relationships, and I certainly know the Archbishop of Canterbury isn't covering up massive child rape.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

I think there are far, far fewer protestant priests doing this, as they can have wives and engage in health, normal human relationships, and I certainly know the Archbishop of Canterbury isn't covering up massive child rape.

Nope, everyone does it the same as everyone else. There are no favorites here.


I mean at least in the Catholic Church you can't marry multiple minors unlike some denominations out there. At least the Catholic Church is against it.

[Fiyenyaa]

I think there are far, far fewer protestant priests doing this, as they can have wives and engage in health, normal human relationships, and I certainly know the Archbishop of Canterbury isn't covering up massive child rape.

Whilst I agree with your second point, the fact is that Protestants don't have any less of a problem with child sex abuse in as much as it actually occurring. The unique point with the Catholic Church is that they have actively tried to cover it up by moving priests around and bribing victims to stay quiet.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0405/p01s01-ussc.html
http://www.thinkchristian.net/index....holic-problem/

in another thread i read that a church has an open lesbian bishop, what else you expect when you stop yourself from fulfilling your physical demands,then you need some compensation for your "piety",in fact to day Christianity is far away of the way and design of nature.

Since she was openly a lesbian before she became a bishop, and since the Lutheran Church of Sweden as a protestant church does not demand celibacy, I would think that her being a bishop has nothing to do with her sexuality.

[Habelo]

Not so much inherent evil, as astounding corruption. Perhaps corruption so vast that in some cases it did indeed turn into evil. That's why I'm much happier being a Protestant, we kind of fought a little conflict (called the Reformation) several centuries ago, precisely for these reasons, as it surely didn't take an atheist to point out what any moral man could see 500 years ago. Many ended up dying to separate ourselves from this system.

Lol... protestantism became popular becuse it gave power to the king and less power to the church.

[jsktrogdor]

Not so much inherent evil, as astounding corruption.

no.... Inherent evil.

Astounding corruption is when a oil lobbyist has sex with a senator and he approves their bills. When a man takes a position that brings the inherent trust from his, and I quote, "Flock". Then uses that trust to their children. Then his supervisors cover this up to protect the PR of their abomination of a church rather than doing the INHERENTLY GOOD THING they do the INHERENTLY EVIL THING and cover his tracks for him. Damning hundreds of children to a lifetime of pain, confusion and suffering to protect their PR, thats what we in humanity call: "Inherent evil"

[removeduser_487563287433]

"Some cases."

[cfmonkey45]

It's official - in case you didn't already know. The report investigating a sample of 46 priests has confirmed that all four Archbishops of Dublin during the 1960s to 1980s were guilty of the "pre-occupations in dealing with cases of child sexual abuse, at least until the mid 1990s, were the maintenance of secrecy, the avoidance of scandal, the protection of the reputation of the Church, and the preservation of its assets. All other considerations, including the welfare of children and justice for victims, were subordinated to these priorities."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8381119.stm

The individual crimes that the Catholic Church defended range from processing child pornography to rape. One priest confessed to abusing over 100 children, another said he abused a child every two weeks for 25 years.

Pretty damning evidence for the evil of the Church.

You go from damning the dirty laundry of one archdiocese to damning the whole church? How does this follow?

[removeduser_487563287433]

Ah, only the highest Catholic priests in a single diocese were defending and enabling the rape of children. That's fine, Catholics are secretly lovely people.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Turns out yes, the Vatican did try to hamper this inquiry.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8382010.stm

[Darth Red]

This is the biggest failing of the Catholic Church. This is one that I will never understand. I can't for the life of me can come up with any justification whatsoever for knowingly shuffling pedophiles from congregation to congregation. Why these priests wern't de-frocked at the very moment they were found out is beyond me.

I see the Church is into excommunication for those that take the ru486 abortion pill in Italy, fine.

I see the Church not wanting Patrick Kennedy (D) rep from Rhode Island, to accept the Eucharist at mass because of his pro abortion stance, great.

Why then, is Bernard Law (he of the former Arch-Bishop of Boston) given a cushy job at the Vatican after it was proved he knowingly shuffeled around pedophile priests is beyond me. Why hasn't he be de-frocked, thrown out and excommunicated. That is the worst kind of offender. I could accept a defence from a priest claiming to have a mental illness, but this guy put every congregation in the Boston area in jeopardy by leting a child molester into the communities. I don't know if I ever could forgive that.

Oh, and I am Catholic if it matters...

[Sir Winston Churchill]

Pretty damning evidence for the evil of the Church.

It's not evil, it's corrupted. Like all large organizations that feel they control some form of power. For every corrupted priest or other figure there is another who is more pure and "true to the cause".

[Ummon]

Have you conducted a statistical analysis to know the rate of paedophile priests, or are you just mounting a case on a series of reports? Misconduct exists in all human organization.

Infact, human organizations, generally, as a rule of thumb, are inclined to suck.

Because the more humans you put together, the more they become like animals.

[Tankbuster]

Infact, human organizations, generally, as a rule of thumb, are inclined to suck.

It's just that organisations that insist on celibacy and the repression of our sexuality and where these repressed individuals are subsequently assigned with the education of children, suck a whole lot more.

A very sad report as always.
How long before the Church realises that this whole repression thing might not be the best idea they ever had?

[Sir Winston Churchill]

It's just that organisations that insist on celibacy and the repression of our sexuality and where these repressed individuals are subsequently assigned with the education of children, suck a whole lot more.

That's not true, look at the American Government!

[Arch-hereticK]

There has been a 300% increase in the Dublin rape crisis center since this report (the Murphy report) was published, there are some horrific truths that are still being covered up. If the reputation of the church is put before the well being of children that church deserves to be dismantled by public opinion.