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    Default Jihad Never Factored into US Army's Screening Process

    Apparently the Army was too PC to adopt a screening process for jihadis, it never having occurred to them that perhaps jihadis may want to infiltrate the US Army during a war.



    Monday, November 23, 2009 INTELLIGENCE BRIEFING
    Threat of jihad infiltration did not factor into
    U.S. Army's screening process



    WASHINGTON — The U.S. Army, fearing political repercussions, refused to consider the prospect of infiltration by Al Qaida supporters.

    A former senior army official told Congress that the military service drafted guidelines on a range of scenarios, including racism. But the army, despite the recruitment of thousands of Muslims, many of them converts, failed to examine prospects of infiltration by Al Qaida and other Islamists.


    "Clearly we don't have specific guidelines in dealing with jihadist extremists," [Ret.] Gen. John Keane, former army vice chief of staff, told the Senate Homeland Security Committee.

    In testimony on Nov. 19, Keane acknowledged that the army refused to draft guidelines on how to deal with Islamist recruits who preached war against the West, Middle East Newsline reported. He said this failure, fostered by the fear of political and legal repercussions, enabled a Muslim officer to plan an attack in Fort Hood, Texas, the largest army base in the world, in which 13 people were killed.

    "There is no doubt in my mind that was operating here," Keane, who retired in 2003, said.

    Hours after Keane's testimony, the Defense Department said it would launch an investigation into Al Qaida influence in the military. Officials acknowledged that the military had failed to track Islamist recruitment or even determine the number of Muslims in the armed forces.

    "The shootings at Fort Hood raise a number of troubling questions that demand complete but prompt answers," Defense Secretary Robert Gates said.

    "It is prudent to determine immediately whether there are internal weaknesses or procedural shortcomings in the department that could make us vulnerable in the future."

    The Senate committee was told by former military commanders and officials of a reluctance to investigate the alleged shooter at Fort Hood, Maj. Nidal Hassan. They said without clear military policy any investigation of Hassan or other Al Qaida supporters in the military could have been regarded as discrimination of Muslims.

    "You take some of this burden away from people by having those guidelines," Keane said.

    President Barack Obama has warned against identifying Hassan as an Islamist. [Of course he has the dhimmi PC git - not even a Powerpoint demonstrration on the supremacy of Islam was enough to make Major Jihad an Islamist]

    On Nov. 17, Democratic leaders met with the National Security Council and agreed to delay any congressional response to the Fort Hood shooting.

    But Lieberman, an independent senator from Connecticut, said his investigation of the Hassan shooting would continue. He said this would not interfere with the current FBI probe.

    At the hearing, Hassan was said to have given a presentation at Walter Reed Hospital on Islam. He was quoted as saying that the Koran demanded the establishment of Islamic rule by force.

    Later, the FBI was reported to have found evidence that Hassan was in contact with an Al Qaida-aligned cleric in Yemen to finance attacks against the United States. In one e-mail, Hassan was said to have asked for $10,000 for an undisclosed operation.

    "There are some who are reluctant to call it terrorism, but there is significant evidence that is," Senate Armed Services Committee chairman Sen. Carl Levin said. "I'm not at all uneasy saying it sure looks like that."


    http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...0908_11_23.asp
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    I'm pretty sure Hasan became radicalized after entering the military. Unless Al Quaeda's plan was to send and operative through medical school and psychiatry training in order to establish a cover...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter View Post
    I'm pretty sure Hasan became radicalized after entering the military. Unless Al Quaeda's plan was to send and operative through medical school and psychiatry training in order to establish a cover...
    The particular circumstances of Major Jihad are not really the issue, although I will say that doctors have before been involved in jihad - the attack on Edinburgh airport being one. Cryptically, AQ said at one point 'Those who heal you will kill you' or words to that effect.

    I'm not sure that we can bet on Hasan being the only jihadi ever to be in the US military. I think the US military needs to develop a plan for these contingencies when people enlist and while they are in the military.

    It is still astonishing to me that there is no such screening process at the moment.

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    That's pretty stupid thing not to screen for.
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    how exactly do u screen for jihadists? they can just lie and trick their way thru

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach View Post
    how exactly do u screen for jihadists? they can just lie and trick their way thru
    Then there would be no point in ever screening for anything, because people can always lie. Why have any form at all that ever asks you a question?

    A good screen and interview may not grab everyone, but it might get some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Cashmere View Post
    Then there would be no point in ever screening for anything, because people can always lie. Why have any form at all that ever asks you a question?

    A good screen and interview may not grab everyone, but it might get some.
    well a questionaire really isnt gonna catch them out....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach View Post
    how exactly do u screen for jihadists? they can just lie and trick their way thru
    Are you Muslim?
    A: Yes
    B: No

    If yes then would you consider waging a Jihad against America?
    A: Yes
    B: No
    C: Maybe
    D: Depends on my mood

    Are you a terrorist?
    A: Yes
    B: No
    C; DURKA DURKA DURKA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamos View Post
    Are you Muslim?
    A: Yes
    B: No

    If yes then would you consider waging a Jihad against America?
    A: Yes
    B: No
    C: Maybe
    D: Depends on my mood

    Are you a terrorist?
    A: Yes
    B: No
    C; DURKA DURKA DURKA
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    They do.

    They ask if you were ever part of an organization dedicated to the overthrow of the US.

    Radical Muslims aren't the only group the US has to worry about, and 2 soldiers out of the 10s of thousands of Muslim soldiers who served...
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    Here are some more muslims misunderstanding their religion. Apparently the site is based in the US and they praise the work of Major Jihad. Now just suppose, just suppose, there was one other muslim who agreed with this point of view....shocking I know and very unlikely, but if there was one other muslim who agreed with this view - couldn't that muslim think it might be a good idea to infiltrate the war machine of the USA?

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    In the Name of Allah. All praise is due to Allah, and may peace and blessings be upon the Messenger of Allah, and upon his family, companions, and those who follow his footsteps till the day of Judgment. To proceed:

    We issue this statement in support of the actions of brother Nidal Malik Hassan; as a congratulations for his brave and heroic deed, as well as the jealousness he displayed for the pains suffered by the Muslim Ummah as a result of the modern Zionist-Christian Crusades against it. May Allah reward you brother Nidal. We ask Allah to accept this great feat of yours and make you an example for others to follow.
    We also issue this statement due to the unfortunate yet expected wave of apologetic statements being given around the world which smack of apostasy, especially in the land of the Lead Crusaders, the United States of America, the likes of which are only given either to safeguard their worldly gains from living there, due to their misguidance and ignorance of firm principles which they easily throw away based on their false concepts of “general interest”, or due to the verdicts of misguided or evil scholars.


    On this point we briefly state the following:


    * The general principle is that it is not allowed for the Muslims to live permanently in the lands of the infidels. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said:
    « أنا بريء من كل مسلم يقيم بين ظهراني المشركين...»

    [Man they have been reading from my arguments, its amazing my influence extends so far to include my wrongheaded misunderstanding of their religion. My powers of mind control are strong.]

    “I am free of every Muslim who lives amongst the polytheists…”

    * There are scholars who have stated its permissibility, but with the condition that the Muslim is able to practice the tenets of his religion properly, from the most important of which is matters of alliance and disavowal (al-wala’ wal-bara’ - the clear declaration of alliance with the believers and enmity and disassociation from the disbelievers). For most people living amongst the polytheists, this is not something possible.

    * It is not permissible for Muslims to aid the infidels in any way in war against the Muslims, whether physically, morally, financially, or strategically. There is a consensus amongst the scholars that whoever does so, even by a mere gesture, has committed an act of apostasy and has left the fold of Islam, based upon the verse:

    ۞ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَىٰ أَوْلِيَاءَ ۘ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَاءُ بَعْضٍ ۚ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم مِّنكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ مِنْهُمْ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ

    O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as allies, they are but allies to one another. If any amongst you allies them, then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the wrong-doers. (Al-Ma’idah: 51)

    Joining the infidel armies is one of the worst forms of this aid.

    * The actions of Nidal Malik Hasan were not contrary to the religion of Islam, rather they are encouraged by it, for no covenant exists between Muslims in the U.S. and the U.S. government and army. If there was initially some covenant, that covenant is now void due to the various crimes the United States has committed to break it, from them engaging in war with the Muslims, imprisoning Muslims, and by the rape and abuse of Muslim men and women to name a few.

    [This covenant is the so called covenant of protection, ie, you don't harm infidels if they let you practice your religion. As practising 'your religion' includes jihad and overthrowing the government, inevitably, the infidels are going to figure out that they may want to interfere with the practice of the Religion of Peace - and then its time for jihad.]

    * If one does hold the opinion that the covenant stands, they in no way are to condemn Nidal Malik Hasan or his actions, as there are legitimate scholars and opinions which state otherwise. Rather, all Muslims are to regard him as a brother and Mujahid who risked his life in avenging the weak and oppressed Muslims around the world, who based his actions on valid and legitimate texts and opinions of scholars. Even if he had not based his actions on valid opinions and indeed was mistaken, the most which would be said that he made a mistake, and that the sin of the infidels was much worse than his mistake, as Allah said in the Qur'an:

    ﴿يَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الشَّهْرِ الْحَرَامِ قِتَالٍ فِيهِ قُلْ قِتَالٌ فِيهِ كَبِيرٌ وَصَدٌّ عَن سَبِيلِ اللّهِ وَكُفْرٌ بِهِ وَالْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ وَإِخْرَاجُ أَهْلِهِ مِنْهُ أَكْبَرُ عِندَ اللّهِ وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَكْبَرُ مِنَ الْقَتل﴾

    They ask you concerning fighting in the Sacred Months. Say, "Fighting therein is a great (transgression) but a greater (transgression) with Allah is to prevent humankind from following the Way of Allah, to disbelieve in Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and to drive out its inhabitants, and fitnah is worse than killing…” (‘Al-Baqarah: 217)

    This was revealed in regards to a group of Muslims who killed some polytheists of Makkah during the sacred months in which fighting was forbidden. Al-Qurtubi said:

    Mujahid and others said that the word fitnah here means disbelief, meaning, “your disbelief is worse than our killing them.” The majority said, “The meaning of fitnah here is putting Muslims through trials which may turn them away from Islam and be destroyed,” and that this is a greater crime than their killing in the forbidden months.

    If one reads and ponders over the event mentioned, they will find many benefits indeed.

    * We warn all Muslims, both individuals and organizations, to fear Allah in the views they hold and statements they make in regards to the validity of Nidal’s actions, the character of our brother, and the correct Islamic views in relation to matters of this sort. They must be very careful that they do not knowingly or unknowingly fall into disbelief and apostasy.

    In conclusion, we again congratulate all Muslims, especially those in the United States, and especially our heroic brother Nidal Malik Hasan, for indeed he has raised our heads and made us proud. He realized the truth about the “war on terror”, and waged his own war on terror. When he realized the sin of being in the army, and when he came to know he may be sent overseas to fight Muslims, he instead chose to fight those who truly deserved to be fought. He risked his life to show that the Muslim Ummah is one Ummah indeed, and that Muslims must target their enemies wherever they may be, even in their own lands. We hope other “Muslims” in the US army repent from their apostasy and take him as a role model, instilling fear in the enemies of Allah and taking them by surprise wherever they may be.

    And our final prayer is: All praise be to Allah, the Lord of all that exists.

    ولا تنسونا من صالح الدُعاء

    Don't Forget Us in Your Prayers

    Your Brothers at: Ansar al-Mujahideen


    www.ansarnet.info
    Last edited by Simon Cashmere; November 25, 2009 at 11:01 PM.

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    From a Christian site, in the US.

    http://www.godhatesamerica.com/
    “The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Redleg Officer View Post
    From a Christian site, in the US.

    http://www.godhatesamerica.com/
    Calling the Westboro Baptist Church a 'Christian Site' is a bit like calling the Branch Davidians pious missionaries.

    The moral equivalence bandwagon people love to get on, find the most marginal and bizarre examples of Christian behaviour, to justify the *legion* and widespread terror and hatred based on Islamic beliefs, sponsored, supported, paid for and condoned by sovereign Islamic nations as well as large sections of the Islamic world. That is an altogether different thing from citing the Westoboro Baptist Church, most of whose members hail from the one extended family, and where Christians themselves angrily confront them.

    But it is more deflection, to avoid naming the dragon.

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    Calling Ansar al-Mujahideen Muslims is like calling the PIRA the representatives of the Irish people.
    “The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”

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    You know whats really ridiculous? There isnt a screening process for warlocks who are trying to summon the old gods and bring about Ragnarok

    way to help your own downfall america!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambit View Post
    You know whats really ridiculous? There isnt a screening process for warlocks who are trying to summon the old gods and bring about Ragnarok!

    way to help your own downfall america!
    Damnit. We're ed now.

    We don't check for Sith either...

    I think there might be something different about General Petraeus. His success in Iraq was too good...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambit View Post
    You know whats really ridiculous? There isnt a screening process for warlocks who are trying to summon the old gods and bring about Ragnarok

    way to help your own downfall america!
    Sure, sure, everyone always blames the Warlocks! Bah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamos View Post
    Sure, sure, everyone always blames the Warlocks! Bah!

    In Richards case, they are usually right. Anyway on topic, there is screeening for jihadists, it's the catch all screening, 'are you or have you ever been a member of a group dedicated to the overthrow of america'


    If american security clearance is anything like the Official Secrets Act (which I had to sign as I worked on certain products at the engineering firm I used to work at, and I got the light version) Then it's a beast, the checks take a while.
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    The wanton murder, mindless destruction and constantly trying to summon the old gods to bring about ragnarok tipped me off

    I saw the pattern!
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