China gaining from US blood in Afghanistan?

[YuriVII]

Watch the video first:
I know many of you do not like RT. But this was an interesting discussion about how China is using the ongoing strife to solidify its own self. It addresses the hoarding of natural resources (not just oil, but also other things as copper).

[Chukada1]

This is stupid.

[Panzerbear]

woah, her legs and those high heel shoes totally distract from the content... lots of good info though.

[Erik]

I don't think China is benefiting from the war, like they claim.

What would have stopped China from making the same kind of deals with the Taliban?

In fact: China would probably benefit more from a stable Afghanistan, regardless of human rights or leadership.

[hellheaven1987]

What would have stopped China from making the same kind of deals with the Taliban?

China would not make deal with Taliban because Taliban is providing support to XinJiang independant movement; overall, China actually wants a more stable Afghanistan, but not a pro-West Afghanistan as it would disrupt China's interest in Central Asia.

[hocca]

how China is using the ongoing strife to solidify its own self

If you get involved in unpopular, expensive wars, other countries who don't are bound to benefit.
Trying to draw attention away from your big mistake, by blaming them for benefiting is ridiculous. Kind of like blaming a nation who saves money for the problems of a country who spends too much.

Who is actually benefiting from the war? Those who make weapons for the conflict, and those who lend money to Congress to continue the war. If you keep blaming China for your country's problems, you won't be able to recover. Its BS from the politicians and above, so you don't think they are messing up.

[Farnan]

And China is providing millions towards rebuilding Afghanistan.

[hellheaven1987]

And China is providing millions towards rebuilding Afghanistan.

Yap, it is a good thing to have Afghanistan more close to China itself than to West.

[Carach]

stopped watching pretty quickly tbh. As attractive as the presenter is, i dont have time for RT and some of the opening comments were, as we've come to expect from such media groups, bias (subtle comments refering to US foreign policy could be made in far more constructive ways than what is done on RT most of the time).

On top of that China making financial deals for resources has been going on for many years - its part of their vital national interests to do so (Africa being one of the places Chinese influence has grown hugely, on top of that is her traditional policies closer to home with regards to keeping a ring of heavily influenced smaller states around her and dependent upon her). Thus ultimately this article is non-news with a spin for bashing on the US for fighting some wars.

This is all just simple international politics and relations. there is absolutely nothing out of the norm.

[mrmouth]

RT is god-awful. I catch it early morning sometimes, on a local station. They have a segment with an American traveler in Russia that is interesting. But overall, RT is amazingly biased. The ticker that scrolls the bottom is filled, everyday, with derogatory news bits about the US. They literally must employ a sizable team to hunt these things down, because they are often ridiculous, and petty o the point all you can do is laugh.

[Panzerbear]

RT is god-awful. I catch it early morning sometimes, on a local station. They have a segment with an American traveler in Russia that is interesting. But overall, RT is amazingly biased. The ticker that scrolls the bottom is filled, everyday, with derogatory news bits about the US. They literally must employ a sizable team to hunt these things down, because they are often ridiculous, and petty o the point all you can do is laugh.

join the club. we, Russians, feel exactly the same way about Western coverage of events in our country.
and when we tell you "what the hell, this is total BS", you all look at us like complete idiots. get used to other people's perspective, it could be rather refreshing.

[Babur]

join the club. we, Russians, feel exactly the same way about Western coverage of events in our country.
and when we tell you "what the hell, this is total BS", you all look at us like complete idiots. get used to other people's perspective, it could be rather refreshing.

but he does have a point, that video even rambled a bit about 9/11 conspiracy theories, also I don't quite understand how China would gain if the Taliban return to power, after all they did fund the Northern Alliance along with Russia and India from 1996-2001

[Hunter Makoy]

Oh noez China got a mining deal for COPPER!!! And I love how the girl is like "do you think that was our intention for going into Afghanistan all along?"

Yes, Alyona, we invaded Afghanistan to get to the precious copper. I mean, there's only 1,000,000,000,000,000 tons of it left! We gotta do something about this! If the Chinese get this next mining deal there will only be 5 million years worth of copper left! And we'll have to deal with a bunch of "No War for Copper!" rallies.

[Farnan]

Actually the price of copper is on the rise:

http://www.metalprices.com/FreeSite/metals/cu/cu.asp

[Hunter Makoy]

Actually the price of copper is on the rise:

http://www.metalprices.com/FreeSite/metals/cu/cu.asp

Are you referring to my post?

[Farnan]

Of course.

[Exarch]

is the implication from the supposed fuss over Chinese companies getting contracts from the afghan government, that the afghan gov. should give all the choice contracts to the US companies?
if better deals were offered by other companies, then the afghan gov. would take on those offers
this aint a 'conspiracy'

and RT is incredibly unprofessional, especially in the wya they conduct debates
the onyl bright spot is the bits with David Axe

[Hunter Makoy]

Of course.

Well the price doesn't really have anything to do with it, it would be the same whether China got it or anyone else got it. The price is based much more off of increased usage and uses then supply. Copper is all over the planet, and there really is about 1,000 billion tons of it left. I wasn't making those numbers up as hyperbole, lol. So in the grand scheme of things this copper mining stuff doesn't really amount to a hill of beans as far as we are concerned. And there's certainly no way we would invade a country to get to a in' copper mine.

@Exarch: I would think the fuss would be about the possible tens of millions of dollars in brides handed out by the Chinese, not simply that they got the contracts. I didn't even hear anything about us trying to get the contract.

[hellheaven1987]

Well, I quite suspect how many protection fee China is going to pay to Taliban... Either way, it may help to press China send armed force to protect those copper mines if Taliban decides to press for protection fee...

[Mithie]

Well, I quite suspect how many protection fee China is going to pay to Taliban... Either way, it may help to press China send armed force to protect those copper mines if Taliban decides to press for protection fee...

I don't think the Taliban will accept protection money from China, seeing as how China's been fighting the Taliban for quite a while now.