What created God???

[SonOfOdin]

I mean seriously

God created suns, planets, our planet, the sea, the trees, the rocks, the soils, the trees, the animals, the humans, maybe the aliens - Or so that's what Christians and most religions say

But what created God?
I know that "Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, but can only change from one form to another" as I learnt that in Physics class but where is the root of God, if there is any anyway??

[Helm]

Apparently he didn't have a beginning but you could say the same about everything in general.

[Strelok]

Apparently he didn't have a beginning but you could say the same about everything in general.

I just witnessed the massive explosion of the "if not God, who created this stuff" argument. Although, I've witnessed it before, it's always something beautiful.

[Fiyenyaa]

I just witnessed the massive explosion of the "if not God, who created this stuff" argument. Although, I've witnessed it before, it's always something beautiful.

I always find that argument so weak that it's difficult to believe that so many use it.

They always say "nature is so complex, it can't have been designed" and yet one of the hallmarks of good design is elegant simplicity. A single cell is so much more complicated than anything designed for a purpose by humans - so unless god is a really bad designer, or perhaps likes to embellish far too much - then there may be a more obvious answer.

[Surgeon]

If something created him, that kind of defies the whole omnipotence part, or at the very least the whole single deity part. Ergo, nothing created him, he just was.

[Tacitursa]

nothing created him, he just was

Can any religious people tell us why that statement is not also true for the universe?

Nothing created the universe , It just was. Why is that not also true?

[Copperknickers II]

Can any religious people tell us why that statement is not also true for the universe?

Nothing created the universe , It just was. Why is that not also true?

Because of the big bang. Scientists do not say that the universe 'just was', or it would tbh be much easier.

[Time Commander Bob]

Because of the big bang. Scientists do not say that the universe 'just was', or it would tbh be much easier.

Yes, but as far as current cosmology is concerned the universe has always existed, because there has been no time in which the universe did not exist, since time (being a dimension that is equivalent to the three spatial ones we are familiar with) began (or rather expanded with time) at the start of the big bang.
The point that Wizav was getting at was that if God has no cause (ie a prime-mover) why not simply state that the Big Bang is the unmoved mover and remove a superfluous layer of complexity?

Everything has a start and an end.

That's quite a bold claim to make, one that I doubt you will be able to prove. I'm not so sure about a start, but I can certainly think of things that do not have an end. Name me the last digit of pi for example; one cannot as it is infinite. Ok, perhaps you meant something physically tangible, well here's another example: imagine you are in space and you hit a ball in front of you with a bat, when does the ball stop moving? Provided there is no resistance then there is nothing to slow the object down, so its velocity will remain constant.

[Groundtotem]

That's quite a bold claim to make, one that I doubt you will be able to prove. I'm not so sure about a start, but I can certainly think of things that do not have an end. Name me the last digit of pi for example; one cannot as it is infinite. Ok, perhaps you meant something physically tangible, well here's another example: imagine you are in space and you hit a ball in front of you with a bat, when does the ball stop moving? Provided there is no resistance then there is nothing to slow the object down, so its velocity will remain constant.

Well hmm maybe you are right, but im just having a hard time getting my head around that the univers does not have a start or an end. As far as i know no one knows that much about the univers to claim anything. So i was wrong, should have been thinking more before i posted.

[Groundtotem]

I mean seriously

God created suns, planets, our planet, the sea, the trees, the rocks, the soils, the trees, the animals, the humans, maybe the aliens - Or so that's what Christians and most religions say

But what created God?
I know that "Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, but can only change from one form to another" as I learnt that in Physics class but where is the root of God, if there is any anyway??

Man created God and religion as a way to explain what was then unexplainable..

Thats just my opinion.

[TestudoAubreii]

Man created God and religion as a way to explain what was then unexplainable..

Thats just my opinion.

I agree.

Without God, man's purpose is meaningless. Without man, God is meaningless.

morrisonicus

[Habelo]

Well the realistic perspective is: Man created god in their minds, just as we created santa.

the teoligistic perspective differs from religion to religion i bet.

[Leeham991]

The closest thing to god that actually exists is Photons and Electrons which drive the life force, so I guess the answer is; who the heck knows?

The universe has been expanding and imploding in cycle for an obscene amount of time.

[Vizsla]

It is a good question.
If God has always existed then the need for a God to create the Universe is expunged because the Universe could always have existed. So God must have had a beginning.
God could not have created himself because he did not exist before he was created.
So either he does not exist or he was created by something else.
If he was created by something else then he is not God.
So he does not exist or he is not God.

It's all academic.
If you choose to subscribe to the irrational notion of God then why would it matter to you that there is no logic to your assertion?
Religious people have accepted that their creed is not logically valid so there is no point in pointing this out. They have chosen Faith.
It's like telling a man in a swimming pool that water is wet.

[Helm]

You could ask why anything exists at but you can equally well ask why nothing should exist at all.

[KingDave]

I created God. PM me for details on how you can send me money if you do not wish for an eternity in hell.

[Prodigal]

He has always been.

[Groundtotem]

He has always been.

Nothing can "always has been".

Everything has a start and an end.

[Prodigal]

Nothing can "always has been".

Everything has a start and an end.

That is, if your talking about time. But we aren't dealing with time as we know it, are we?

[Morkonan]

Causality is only pertinent if you're dealing with time.

From inside this fishbowl universe, time is very important. But, that doesn't mean that time is something that is inseparable from any existence. After all, time varies. Einstein proved that and it has been confirmed by direct observation. So, time is malleable even within our Universe.. in how it is experienced by the observer.

But, our Universe doesn't have to be the only one, does it? Our Universe isn't static either. It apparently had a beginning. What happened before that? Or, is there really even a definition of "Before the Big Bang" that would make sense to a normal person within our four-dimensional Universe? Time really didn't exist, as such, before then if it is a component of the space-time fabric of the Universe. If it is inseparable and the Big Bang created it then "causality" before that defined by our 4D principles is pretty meaningless.

The commonly accepted definitions surrounding the Christian concept of God are not science, they are religion. However, there's nothing there that conflicts with science, IMO. "God" is an area science doesn't have the capability to tread since it is not something that is observable or measurable concerning our physical world.