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    Default Kinky van Rumpy de Pumpy to push for "Euro tax"

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-Euro-tax.html




    Quote Originally Posted by The Torygraph
    Within days of taking office in January, the former Belgian prime minister will put his weight behind controversial proposals already floated by the commission's head, José Manuel Barroso, for a new "Euro tax".
    He will add credence to Mr Barroso's plans, to be formally tabled in the New Year, by arguing for a Euro-version of a "Tobin Tax" – a levy on financial transactions already floated by Gordon Brown as a solution to the international banking crisis. It would result in a stream of income direct to Brussels coffers, funding budgets that critics say are already rife with waste and overspending.

    Mr Van Rompuy, 62, who was appointed to the newly-created £320,000-a-year post at last week's special EU summit, set out his stall on direct Euro-taxes during a private speech at a recent meeting of the Bilderberg group of top politicians, bankers and businessmen. The group officially meets in secret, but when selected details of his remarks leaked out, his office was forced to issue a public statement on his behalf.

    "The financing of the welfare state, irrespective of the social reform we implement, will require new resources," he said. "The possibility of financial levies at European level needs to be seriously reviewed."
    Mr Barroso, whose commission acts as the European Union's executive arm and civil service, has set out alternative plans for a Euro tax that would involve Brussels taking directly a fixed percentage of VAT and fuel duties. While these taxes already help to fund EU spending – set at £121 billion next year – they are currently gathered by the treasuries of individual nation states, from which varying sums are paid into EU coffers.

    A new Euro tax could appear on all shopping and petrol station receipts, showing the amount of VAT or fuel duty creamed off directly to Brussels. Supporters say it would take a fixed proportion of the existing tax revenue rather than increase it overall, and make the cost to taxpayers of running the EU more transparent. Critics argue this could backfire by increasing anti-Brussels sentiment.

    Mr Van Rompuy has not set out in detail exactly which tax raising mechanisms he favours most, but after the Bilderberg meeting his spokesman said he would look favourably on either green taxes or a version of the Tobin Tax, originally proposed in 1972 by the US economist James Tobin as a tax on currency speculation.

    Mr Brown floated this earlier this month as a way of financing future bail outs of the banking system, although he meant it for global rather than purely European purposes.

    But whichever revenue-raising mechanism was used, the backing of two of Europe's most senior apparatchiks for the idea in principle will give it extra momentum.

    Opponents of the idea could also underestimate Mr Van Rompuy's determination to get his own way. Ostensibly chosen for his new job because of his skill as a consensus-builder, he is also known as a skilled and ruthless political operator, who is happy to play rough as well as smooth. Last year he ordered the locks to be changed on a chamber in the Belgian parliament in order to prevent deputies holding a politically disruptive debate. According to Belgian newspaper De Morgen, van Rompuy told colleagues a few weeks ago that to achieve a top EU function you must "not ask for high office, but become a grey mouse, and offers will come."

    Mr Barroso, meanwhile, has just been reappointed to his post by member states for a second five year term, freeing him to push his tax agenda in bolder fashion than before. Any move towards Euro taxes, however, will encounter bitter opposition from British Conservatives.

    "Any kind of harmonised tax system will remove control over our national tax systems," said Timothy Kirkhope, leader of the Britain's Conservative MEPs. "Competition in Europe depends on member states being allowed to have competitive tax regimes."

    In opposing any Euro-tax plans, the Tories will find an unlikely ally in Mr Van Rompuy's sister Christine, 54, a left-wing nurse who joined the Marxist Belgian Workers' Party after witnessing the Belgian government's privatisation of the health service. She is now one of her brother's staunchest political critics, and the brochure used by her party features a picture of her brother dressed as a clown.
    "I disagree with my brother's ideas for a green tax," she said. "Any new taxes would be paid by the poor. We need to tax the rich."
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    What's next -- his national symbol destroying agenda?

    Last edited by Lance-Corporal Jones; November 22, 2009 at 06:10 AM.

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    He can die in a ditch.

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    Lol, that picture is from the campaign of the "labour party" in Belgium partij van de arbeid, they are a bunch of reds, their slogan was stop the political circus.

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    Gotta love Rumpy, right?
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    It's irrelevant, anyway. You can't raise taxes in the UK without it getting passed by Parliament, and that's not going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    It's irrelevant, anyway. You can't raise taxes in the UK without it getting passed by Parliament, and that's not going to happen.
    I hope not -- I haven't looked into this, but if Rumpy intends to act on it with Barroso it means they've got some idea of how to make it work. Lisbon is, after all, self-amending, and Westminster is becoming more and more irrelevant under this regime.

    Helm: Rumpy is a . Let him send Europol to take me to the Gulag.
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    That's our European president/overlord you're disrespecting.

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    Some of our tax money will go into Europe anyway, so not like our president is suggesting anything particularly new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helm View Post
    Some of our tax money will go into Europe anyway, so not like our president is suggesting anything particularly new.
    Oh, of course; it costs us a fair amount in tax money as it is. The old system was advantageous for the Eurocrats as they avoided the negative rep of having to levy taxes, leaving the dirty work to national governments which then sent them the money.

    However, levying taxes is another area of national sovereignty which they intend to gobble up -- the reasons are more political than financial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lance-Corporal Jones View Post
    Oh, of course; it costs us a fair amount in tax money as it is. The old system was advantageous for the Eurocrats as they avoided the negative rep of having to levy taxes, leaving the dirty work to national governments which then sent them the money.

    However, levying taxes is another area of national sovereignty which they intend to gobble up -- the reasons are more political than financial.
    Perhaps all he's doing is suggesting a way to streamline the system rather than make it so we pay in more than what we already do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lance-Corporal Jones View Post
    In Eurocratic doublespeak, "streamline" means "we have our way".

    Furthermore, it is obvious that more money is indeed in question, since the EU's bureaucracy has already increased -- Rumpy, his staff, his summits and his new palace are already costing us a fortune. The Brussels bureaucracy just becomes more bloated every day.

    Still, as I said above, I would welcome a chance for people to realize just how much they are paying. It would indeed be an eye opener.
    We're putting money into the EU but we're probably making more money from being within it, even if we're not talking direct payments but more in terms of trade, tourism, free movement of labour and such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helm View Post
    We're putting money into the EU but we're probably making more money from being within it, even if we're not talking direct payments but more in terms of trade, tourism, free movement of labour and such.
    The benefits of the EU can be obtained for a fraction of the cost -- for instance, as with the agreements Switzerland and Norway have with the EU. They operate massive amounts of trade with the EU by paying a stipend which only amounts to a fraction of what we tip in to maintain this bloated, useless bureaucracy.

    As it is now, it would seem that (for some countries) being in the EU is more expensive than being out.

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    It might be good for people to see how much they pay EU every month. I am not educated enough into the subject to have a valid opinion though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovejoy View Post
    It might be good for people to see how much they pay EU every month. I am not educated enough into the subject to have a valid opinion though.
    It could indeed be an eye-opener. The EU has been getting its money with very little accountability until now, so it would be good for people to see the scandalous waste and excessive spending that goes on in Brussels.

    That is precisely one of the reasons for which I don't believe in reforming the EU anymore -- there are too many leeches, too many professional Brusselites who live off the gravy train. Too many interests at stake to slash either European institutions or Euro-quangos.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helm View Post
    Perhaps all he's doing is suggesting a way to streamline the system rather than make it so we pay in more than what we already do.
    In Eurocratic doublespeak, "streamline" means "we have our way".

    Furthermore, it is obvious that more money is indeed in question, since the EU's bureaucracy has already increased -- Rumpy, his staff, his summits and his new palace are already costing us a fortune. The Brussels bureaucracy just becomes more bloated every day.

    Still, as I said above, I would welcome a chance for people to realize just how much they are paying. It would indeed be an eye opener.
    Last edited by Hesus de bodemloze; November 22, 2009 at 07:54 AM.

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    Hurray, now I can get my money stolen by two governments.

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    its not van rompuy but the guy left to him who is totally incompitent Letherme.the guy on the far left is Bart De Wevere a funy guy but a bit of a flemmish nationalist.and the guy on the right is Bart Somers former head of VLD but now a mear member of perlement.

    and i dont think any news about this comming from the UK is viable information for now (there kinda pissed of for not getting the job.you guys really think this eurotax is from van Rompuy only its from the party he's from in europe.it was a plan of barrosso.but the central power"of a president was needed to be able to push it true hence the lissabon treaty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Macro View Post
    and i dont think any news about this comming from the UK is viable information for now
    The Telegraph is a quality newspaper.

    (there kinda pissed of for not getting the job.you guys really think this eurotax is from van Rompuy only its from the party he's from in europe.it was a plan of barrosso.but the central power"of a president was needed to be able to push it true hence the lissabon treaty.
    No, nobody wanted Blair to get the job. Blair isn't well-liked, and the idea of having him as the "lord of us all" wasn't welcome.

    So much for your anti-British theories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lance-Corporal Jones View Post
    The Telegraph is a quality newspaper.



    No, nobody wanted Blair to get the job. Blair isn't well-liked, and the idea of having him as the "lord of us all" wasn't welcome.

    So much for your anti-British theories.
    I'm not anti brittish but whe were kinda pissed of as a nation for the anti belgian clips ont the british newschannels.it targetted our country as a whole not the person of van rompuy. wich is kinda low.so you might say i llost my "neutrality" against brittish media .and i didn't now you didnt like Blair,why was he chosen as youre candidate then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Macro View Post
    I'm not anti brittish but whe were kinda pissed of as a nation for the anti belgian clips ont the british newschannels.it targetted our country as a whole not the person of van rompuy. wich is kinda low.so you might say i llost my "neutrality" against brittish media .and i didn't now you didnt like Blair,why was he chosen as youre candidate then?
    Um, what anti-Belgian clips?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Macro View Post
    I'm not anti brittish but whe were kinda pissed of as a nation for the anti belgian clips ont the british newschannels.it targetted our country as a whole not the person of van rompuy. wich is kinda low.so you might say i llost my "neutrality" against brittish media .and i didn't now you didnt like Blair,why was he chosen as youre candidate then?
    He was seen as a good candidate because he's always been very europhilic -- his greatest ambition was to give Britain the euro, and he also surrendered two billion pounds a year of the British rebate to the EU. However, Blair has become extremely unpopular, especially because of the war on Iraq, and his recent general attitude (which involves living in tandem between the United States and Israel, but never in Britain...) has made him a perfect eurocrat: devoted to the EU's cause, distant, and with an anti-democratic slant.

    The ascent of Blair as EU president was seen with more dread than anything else, I can tell you that for nowt.

    And I do apologize about some uncouth and uneducated comments on Belgium; Belgium is a great country, and we really shouldn't let the EU ruin it for us

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