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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8358504.stm

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    The EU's first permanent president, Belgian Prime Minister Herman van Rompuy, is a camera-shy man who has been catapulted from relative obscurity.
    After his selection at a Brussels summit, he stressed his credentials as a consensus politician and made it clear he would fulfil the role of a chairman rather than a globe-trotting statesman.
    His tasks include liaising with EU leaders and arranging the bloc's annual summits. He says tackling climate change and lowering EU unemployment rates are among his priorities.
    The centre-right leader has a reputation as a good negotiator with a self-deprecating sense of humour, which helped him to hold together a fractious coalition government at home.
    Shortly after his presidential appointment was announced, the 62-year-old drily remarked on previous US complaints about the EU lacking a central go-to figure. "I'm anxiously awaiting the first phone call," he said.
    But his appointment may be bad news for Belgium's troubled coalition of Dutch- and French-speaking parties, which could fall apart without his careful stewardship.
    In linguistically divided Belgium, he is seen as a unifying force, taking an even-handed approach to resolving conflicts - a skill that is expected to serve him well in Europe's top job.
    Focus on federalism
    Mr Van Rompuy has pledged to be discreet in his new role. He is little known outside Belgium and has attended only two European summits.

    Turkey is not a part of Europe and will never be part of Europe
    Herman Van Rompuy Speaking as an opposition politician
    With such a limited international reputation, critics say he will struggle to command attention when he travels on behalf of Europe.
    But his modest demeanour belies outspoken political beliefs. An avowed federalist, he has called for national symbols within the EU to be replaced by European symbols.
    He has also called for a tax on financial transactions within the bloc to fund the EU.
    A veteran politician from Belgium's Flemish Christian Democrat party, he has been outspoken in the past in opposition to Turkey joining the EU. He warned it could dilute Europe's Christian heritage.
    "Turkey is not a part of Europe and will never be part of Europe," he said as an opposition politician five years ago.
    "The universal values which are in force in Europe, and which are fundamental values of Christianity, will lose vigour with the entry of a large Islamic country such as Turkey."
    Haiku writer
    Mr Van Rompuy was originally reluctant to take on the post of Belgian prime minister at the end of 2008. He replaced Yves Leterme, who resigned amid a financial scandal last December after just nine months in the job.
    Riven by post-election squabbling, Belgium had already been through two prime ministers in 12 months and seemed in danger of splitting apart, due to the arguments over devolution plans between the Dutch- and French-speaking parties.

    Three waves roll Along the harbour The trio's home
    EU Trio-presidency Herman Van Rompuy haiku
    Something of a moderate in Belgium's increasingly polarised politics, Mr Van Rompuy was eventually persuaded to take on the job by Belgian King Albert II.
    He was appointed prime minister, having held the position of president of the lower house of parliament since July 2007.
    The trained economist inherited a fragile government coalition and a nation facing a global economic crisis that had crippled Belgian banking giant Fortis.
    He had previously served as budget minister in the Christian Democrat-led government from 1993 to 1999, during which time he took a tough stance on balancing the books, drastically reducing the country's public debt.
    Before that, Mr Van Rompuy was leader of the Flemish Christian Democrats between 1988 and 1993.
    He has penned several books - mainly on social and political issues - and is also an avid blogger and haiku writer.
    He is said to sometimes compose the 17-syllable Japanese-style poems during political meetings and has been known to read out his compositions at such gatherings.
    One offering on Mr Van Rompuy's website is called EU Trio-presidency, but any message therein about his political ambitions is well concealed:
    "Three waves roll
    Along the harbour
    The trio's home."
    National pride
    Before his appointment, people on the streets of Brussels voiced mixed emotions about the prospect of their prime minister becoming Europe's figurehead.
    A sense of national pride was countered by one of foreboding about how Belgium's government would cope without him.
    A poll by Euronews found respondents in the capital reluctant to lose a peace-maker "indispensable in keeping the peace between the different communities".
    "It would be a pity," said one resident. "It would mean political instability in Belgium. A good thing for Europe a bad thing for Belgium!"
    Before entering politics, Mr Van Rompuy worked at the Belgian central bank from 1972 to 1975.
    One of a family of politicians, his younger brother, Eric Van Rompuy, is also a politician for the CD&V, while his sister, Christine Van Rompuy, is a member of the Workers Party of Belgium.
    Herman Van Rompuy is married with four children.



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    "The universal values which are in force in Europe, and which are fundamental values of Christianity, will lose vigour with the entry of a large Islamic country such as Turkey."
    Wow....did he really say that? Is there some crazy context that would make this seem less ridiculous?

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    Wow....did he really say that? Is there some crazy context that would make this seem less ridiculous?
    I'm guessing there's not.

    The article mentions that he was leader of the "Flemish Christian Democrats" party for several years, which the Google tells me has the stated goal of promoting "Christian Democracy". Seems to me like it's a weak cover for Islamophobes in Europe - his opposition to Turkey is interesting because Turkey is a strictly secular state, but demographically its nearly 99% Muslim. Its like he's afraid of giving Muslims the ability to travel more freely in Europe. But, perhaps a member from Belgium or another part of Europe could shed some light on the matter for us poor Yanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter View Post
    I'm guessing there's not.

    The article mentions that he was leader of the "Flemish Christian Democrats" party for several years, which the Google tells me has the stated goal of promoting "Christian Democracy". Seems to me like it's a weak cover for Islamophobes in Europe - his opposition to Turkey is interesting because Turkey is a strictly secular state, but demographically its nearly 99% Muslim. Its like he's afraid of giving Muslims the ability to travel more freely in Europe. But, perhaps a member from Belgium or another part of Europe could shed some light on the matter for us poor Yanks.
    There are very real problems with the retarded immigration policy that has been going on for the last few years, call it Islamophobia if you want, it's a real problem and people fear that Turkey's admission into the EU will cause a second tidal wave of Turkish immigrants, and you have to remember Turkey is already letting immigrants through to Greece quite readily, even though they know how Greece treats them.

    And there are countless issues regarding Turkey's admission into the EU, Islam isn't one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter View Post
    I'm guessing there's not.

    The article mentions that he was leader of the "Flemish Christian Democrats" party for several years, which the Google tells me has the stated goal of promoting "Christian Democracy". Seems to me like it's a weak cover for Islamophobes in Europe - his opposition to Turkey is interesting because Turkey is a strictly secular state, but demographically its nearly 99% Muslim. Its like he's afraid of giving Muslims the ability to travel more freely in Europe. But, perhaps a member from Belgium or another part of Europe could shed some light on the matter for us poor Yanks.
    Christians Democrats are the most PC and pro-Islam groups in Western Europe. I don't think it really explains anything, it just makes the situation even more confusing.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
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    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter View Post
    The article mentions that he was leader of the "Flemish Christian Democrats" party for several years, which the Google tells me has the stated goal of promoting "Christian Democracy". Seems to me like it's a weak cover for Islamophobes in Europe
    You are completely wrong about Christian Democrats.
    Christian Democrats focus on the similarities between religions, they embrace Muslims as (Abrahamic) religious people who share most of their values.
    A very large percentage of Muslims in Europe vote for Christian Democrat parties, only Social Democrats are more popular amongst Muslims.

    What Van Rompuy says about Turkey's possible entry isn't some fringe racist idea, it's what the majority of people at the EU believe.
    It is even part of the Lisbon treaty!
    The Eurocrats realize that holding such a large union together is going to be very difficult, so they are trying to define core values that unify them.
    Being all "Christian-Judeo" countries is one (of the few) "core values" they found and want to build on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    You are completely wrong about Christian Democrats.
    Christian Democrats focus on the similarities between religions, they embrace Muslims as (Abrahamic) religious people who share most of their values.
    A very large percentage of Muslims in Europe vote for Christian Democrat parties, only Social Democrats are more popular amongst Muslims.

    What Van Rompuy says about Turkey's possible entry isn't some fringe racist idea, it's what the majority of people at the EU believe.
    It is even part of the Lisbon treaty!
    The Eurocrats realize that holding such a large union together is going to be very difficult, so they are trying to define core values that unify them.
    Being all "Christian-Judeo" countries is one (of the few) "core values" they found and want to build on.
    Thanks for clearing that up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter View Post
    I'm guessing there's not.

    The article mentions that he was leader of the "Flemish Christian Democrats" party for several years, which the Google tells me has the stated goal of promoting "Christian Democracy". Seems to me like it's a weak cover for Islamophobes in Europe - his opposition to Turkey is interesting because Turkey is a strictly secular state, but demographically its nearly 99% Muslim. Its like he's afraid of giving Muslims the ability to travel more freely in Europe. But, perhaps a member from Belgium or another part of Europe could shed some light on the matter for us poor Yanks.
    Turkey arent 'european'....i think his view is pretty understandable, though simplistic and badly worded.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn777 View Post
    Oops indeed, where is my head, thats a NATO thingy...OK then, but The European Court of Justice forced the French to eat British beef again after BSE.
    the french whine about anything thats agriculturally british regardless of the facts. hell we could easily remove the agriculture bit and just leave it as 'whine about anything thats british'. - one reason i like sarkosy a hell of a lot more than previous french leaders is because he seems a lot more reasonable.

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    the concerns in belgium over their country's future without him is a little hardcore isnt it? If this one man who is democratically restricted in his job prospects is Belgium's one and only hope for future unity perhaps belgium deserves to be removed as a state (personally, i dont understand the constant, petty infighting between the groups there at all but hey..)
    Last edited by Carach; November 22, 2009 at 11:56 AM.

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    Nobody cares about Herman? Where's the love? Or hate I guess...
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    Blair was better. His assertions do not stand on par with his personal insignificance.

    Yes, Christian heritage would be important, but it is not something to impose, it is something to realize.

    On the other hand: Islamophobe? A Belgian?? The most PC people around?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon View Post
    Blair was better. His assertions do not stand on par with his personal insignificance.

    Yes, Christian heritage would be important, but it is not something to impose, it is something to realize.

    On the other hand: Islamophobe? A Belgian?? The most PC people around?
    At least Herman didn't drag his country into a war with a Muslim nation over some fake intelligence report...

    And Tony's supposed to be Socialist ? :o) Didn't he get a price recently for promoting peace in the middle east? Talk about sarcasm!

    Btw I'm from Belgium, no lover of Christian Democrats... But if you're looking for racist stuff , or islamophobe parties we've got a few here in Belgium , and they're not the Christian Democrats. Better a grey mouse in power than a powermonger

    PS : Lol @ Lance Corporal Jones' remark about Herman being a fanatic .Fanatic and zealot both suggest excessive or overweening devotion to a cause or belief. Fanatic further implies unbalanced or obsessive behavior. That's not the Herman we know here in Belgium. Dull? Most definitely. Fanatic? Hardly
    Last edited by LaMuerte; November 23, 2009 at 03:17 PM.

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    An avowed federalist, he has called for national symbols within the EU to be replaced by European symbols.
    He has also called for a tax on financial transactions within the bloc to fund the EU.
    There goes my respect for him.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    There goes my respect for him.
    This is just scary...
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    Quote Originally Posted by IPA35 View Post
    This is just scary...
    What is?
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    He has been installed, undemocratically, to ensure the continuing dominance of Germany and France over the EU, keeping Britain (or at least the current and extremely short lived Government) happy by installing an unknown, insignificant but at least by all reports competent peer.

    I don't understand the new roles, the Lisbon Treaty or the motivations behind either. I understand there's absolutely zero accountability for citizens of the UK, and that is a situation that surely can only be endured for so long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    He has been installed, undemocratically, to ensure the continuing dominance of Germany and France over the EU, keeping Britain (or at least the current and extremely short lived Government) happy by installing an unknown, insignificant but at least by all reports competent peer.

    I don't understand the new roles, the Lisbon Treaty or the motivations behind either. I understand there's absolutely zero accountability for citizens of the UK, and that is a situation that surely can only be endured for so long.
    Oh come on. First it was Turkey's denied membership supposedly all to keep the UK down, while the country has numerous obvious problems, now you whine about some freakish guy who gets a wooden hammer at meetings. And what about Ashton anyway.

    Besides, no one wanted Teflon Tony, he screwed up some years ago.
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    we can safely say that a % of those 130 were Houthi/Iranian militants that needed to be stopped unfortunately

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn777 View Post
    Oh come on. First it was Turkey's denied membership supposedly all to keep the UK down, while the country has numerous obvious problems, now you whine about some freakish guy who gets a wooden hammer at meetings. And what about Ashton anyway.

    Besides, no one wanted Teflon Tony, he screwed up some years ago.
    This is the first suggestion I have ever heard that Turkey was denied membership to keep the UK down, that makes absolutely no sense.

    And you have utterly missed the point. It is because this man is an insubstantial hammer holder than French and German dominance can continue unchallenged. And why the hell should I be interested in an organisation that does not serve my and my country's interests?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    This is the first suggestion I have ever heard that Turkey was denied membership to keep the UK down, that makes absolutely no sense.
    Well, it was all over TWC when our award-winning best debater(now in exile) brought that up backed with numerous articles from the British press.

    Supposedly Germany/France uses its population-vote to outweigh the UK's, and since Turkey has a similar large population it could side with the UK...I didnt come up with this.
    And you have utterly missed the point. It is because this man is an insubstantial hammer holder than French and German dominance can continue unchallenged. And why the hell should I be interested in an organisation that does not serve my and my country's interests?
    Tell me how would that work?....keeping the UK out, because the UK holds similar influence FYI.
    Quote Originally Posted by snuggans View Post
    we can safely say that a % of those 130 were Houthi/Iranian militants that needed to be stopped unfortunately

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn777 View Post
    Well, it was all over TWC when our award-winning best debater(now in exile) brought that up backed with numerous articles from the British press.
    Supposedly Germany/France uses its population-vote to outweigh the UK's, and since Turkey has a similar large population it could side with the UK...I didnt come up with this.[/quote]

    Although it would strip power from Germany and France as the largest blocs I have never heard it interpreted before as a mechanism to keep the UK, the third largest bloc, down.

    Tell me how would that work?....keeping the UK out, because the UK holds similar influence FYI.
    Similar influence as France and Germany? Do you know anything about the EU?

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    Default Re: Herman van Rompuy

    An avowed federalist, he has called for national symbols within the EU to be replaced by European symbols.
    There goes my respect for him. And adds to my negative view on the current EU.

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