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    Climate sceptics claim leaked emails are evidence of collusion among scientists

    Hundreds of emails and documents exchanged between world's leading climate scientists stolen by hackers and leaked online

    Hundreds of private emails and documents allegedly exchanged between some of the world's leading climate scientists over the past 13 years have been stolen by hackers and leaked online, it emerged today.

    The computer files were apparently accessed earlier this week from servers at the UK's University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit, a world-renowned centre focused on the study of natural and anthropogenic climate change.

    Climate change sceptics who have studied the emails allege that they provide "smoking gun" evidence that some of the climatologists colluded in manipulating data to support the widely held view that climate change is real and is being largely caused by the actions of mankind. So far the veracity of the emails has not been confirmed and the scientists involved have declined to comment on the story, which broke on a blog called The Air Vent.


    The files, which in total amount to 61MB of data, were first uploaded onto a Russian server, before being widely mirrored across the internet. The emails were accompanied by the anonymous statement: "We feel that climate science is, in the current situation, too important to be kept under wraps. We hereby release a random selection of correspondence, code, and documents. Hopefully it will give some insight into the science and the people behind it."

    A spokesperson for the University of East Anglia (UEA) said: "We are aware that information from a server used for research information in one area of the university has been made available on public websites. Because of the volume of this information we cannot currently confirm that all of this material is genuine. This information has been obtained and published without our permission and we took immediate action to remove the server in question from operation. We are undertaking a thorough internal investigation and we have involved the police in this inquiry."

    In one email, dated November 1999, one scientist wrote: "I've just completed Mike's Nature [the science journal] trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie, from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."

    This sentence, in particular, has been leapt upon by sceptics as evidence of manipulating data, but as yet, the credibility of the email has not been verified. The scientists who allegedly sent it declined to comment on the email.

    "It does look incriminating on the surface but there are lots of single sentences that, taken out of context, can appear incriminating," said Bob Ward, director of policy and communications at the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment at the London School of Economics. "You can't tell what they are talking about. Scientists say 'trick' not just to mean deception. They mean it as a clever way of doing something - a short cut can be a trick."

    In another alleged email one of the scientists apparently refers to the death of a prominent climate change sceptic by saying "in an odd way this is cheering news".

    Ward said that if the emails are correct, they "might highlight behaviour that those individuals might not like to have made public." But he added, "Let's separate out [the climate scientists] reacting badly to the personal attacks [from sceptics] to the idea that their work has been carried out in an inappropriate way."

    Hesaid that the revelations did not alter the huge body of evidence from a variety of scientific fields that supports the conclusion that modern climate change is caused largely by human activity. The alleged emails refer largely to work on so-called paleoclimate data - reconstructing past climate scenarios using data such as ice cores and tree rings. "Climate change is based on several lines of evidence, not just paleoclimate data," he said. "At the heart of this is basic physics."

    Ward pointed out that the individuals named in the alleged emails had numerous publications in peer-reviewed scientific journals. "It would be very surprising if after all this time, suddenly they were found out doing something as wrong as that."

    Professor Michael Mann, director of Pennsylvania State University's Earth System Science Centre and a regular contributor to the popular climate science blog Real Climate, features in many of the email exchanges. He said: "I'm simply not going to comment on the content of illegally obtained emails. However, I will say this: both their theft and, I believe, any reproduction of the emails that were obtained on public websites, etc, constitutes serious criminal activity. I'm hoping that the perpetrators and their facilitators will be tracked down and prosecuted to the fullest extent the law allows."

    When the Guardian asked Prof Phil Jones at UEA, who features in the correspondence, to verify whether the emails were genuine, he refused to comment.

    The alleged emails illustrate the persistent pressure some climatologists have been under from sceptics in recent years. There have been repeated calls, including Freedom of Information requests, for the Climate Research Unit to make public a confidential dataset of land and sea temperature recordings that is "value added" by the unit before being used by the Met Office. The emails show the frustration some climatologists have had at having to operate under such intense, often politically motivated, scrutiny.

    A spokesman for Greenpeace said: "If you looked through any organisation's emails from the last 10 years you'd find something that would raise a few eyebrows. Contrary to what the sceptics claim, the Royal Society, the US National Academy of Sciences, Nasa and the world's leading atmospheric scientists are not the agents of a clandestine global movement against the truth. This stuff might drive some web traffic, but so does David Icke."
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    So we are left with three possible conclusions, just as we have been for decades regarding this issue:

    1) An overwhelming majority of international climate experts agree about much of the tenets of anthropogenic global warming and are honest.

    2) An overwhelming majority of international climate experts are ignorant about their own expertise in a sudden and collective manner.

    3) An overwhelming majority of international climate experts have all agreed to conspire to delude the billions of folks on the planet and just a very tiny percentage of them (and mostly unpublished) are trying to save us all from this mass hoax.

    One would think common sense would prevail and that all people would indicate that #1 is the correct conclusion.

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    Fake or real, lets assume this is a scam, help me understand why anyone would do that because I can't think of a reason that makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saber View Post
    So we are left with three possible conclusions, just as we have been for decades regarding this issue:

    1) An overwhelming majority of international climate experts agree about much of the tenets of anthropogenic global warming and are honest.

    2) An overwhelming majority of international climate experts are ignorant about their own expertise in a sudden and collective manner.

    3) An overwhelming majority of international climate experts have all agreed to conspire to delude the billions of folks on the planet and just a very tiny percentage of them (and mostly unpublished) are trying to save us all from this mass hoax.

    One would think common sense would prevail and that all people would indicate that #1 is the correct conclusion.
    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    You mean the website founded by the guys who got busted?
    Everyone has the right to respond in order to defend themselves, don't you think?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rugler View Post
    Why?
    The ability to ... reason?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eisenkopf View Post
    Everyone has the right to respond in order to defend themselves, don't you think?



    The ability to ... reason?
    And why is it reason that number 1 is the right one to pick? Because the majority says it is?

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    So umm...what did these emails say?
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    When money is at stake, common sense, honesty, and "expertise", all take a flying leap out the window.

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    Also, please source the article. I'm curious where this is from.
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    Do you not have a source for this?
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    Default Re: Climate sceptics claim leaked emails are evidence of collusion among scientists



    Funny, how unnamed "climate skeptics" are trusted without question, but renowned scientist aren't.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post


    Funny, how unnamed "climate skeptics" are trusted without question, but renowned scientist aren't.
    renowned scientist have been studying for years to scam us all, it's a well known fact!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    Also, please source the article. I'm curious where this is from.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vince Noir View Post
    Do you not have a source for this?
    Sorry about that guys here its is
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...-leaked-emails
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    A spokesman for Greenpeace said: "If you looked through any organisation's emails from the last 10 years you'd find something that would raise a few eyebrows
    I don't think he understands how amusing this statement is when the original Greenpeace founder thinks the organization is now run by radical nut jobs.
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    I'm still trying to figure out how one reads this article, that is pretty lacking on specific details and even offers counter-points to those few details readily available, and then concludes with, "Al Gore is one lying son of a ."

    Suspension of disbelief, I suppose.
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    Skeptics have been complaining for years that the science behind the assertions was shakier than what people have been lead to believe. This will add to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Digbert View Post
    Sorry about that guys here its is
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/20/climate-sceptics-hackers-leaked-emails
    From the good old guardian
    Don't apologize anyone that read the article should have known the source. That some people didn't know meant they didn't bother reading it.

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    I was going to post this story, you beat me to it, here I have James Delingpole's blog from the telegraph UK , and Andrew Bolt's blog from the Herald Sun in Austrailia, which both contain some excerpts from the e-mails:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ja...lobal-warming/

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/a...hadley_hacked/

    Here is one of the alleged e-mails:
    From: Phil Jones
    To: ray bradley ,mann@XXXX, mhughes@XXXX
    Subject: Diagram for WMO Statement
    Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:31:15 +0000
    Cc: k.briffa@XXX.osborn@XXXX

    Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,

    Once Tim’s got a diagram here we’ll send that either later today or first thing tomorrow.

    I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline. Mike’s series got the annual land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999 for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.

    Thanks for the comments, Ray.

    Cheers
    Phil

    Prof. Phil Jones
    Climatic Research Unit Telephone XXXX
    School of Environmental Sciences Fax XXXX
    University of East Anglia
    Norwich
    and another:

    From: Kevin Trenberth
    To: Michael Mann
    Subject: Re: BBC U-turn on climate
    Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:57:37 -0600
    Cc: Stephen H Schneider , Myles Allen , peter stott , “Philip D. Jones” , Benjamin Santer , Tom Wigley , Thomas R Karl , Gavin Schmidt , James Hansen , Michael Oppenheimer

    Hi all

    Well I have my own article on where the heck is global warming ? We are asking that here in Boulder where we have broken records the past two days for the coldest days on record. We had 4 inches of snow. The high the last 2 days was below 30F and the normal is 69F, and it smashed the previous records for these days by 10F. The low was about 18F and also a record low, well below the previous record low.

    This is January weather (see the Rockies baseball playoff game was canceled on saturday and then played last night in below freezing weather).

    Trenberth, K. E., 2009: An imperative for climate change planning: tracking Earth’s global energy. Current Opinion in Environmental Sustainability, 1, 19-27, doi:10.1016/j.cosust.2009.06.001. [1][PDF] (A PDF of the published version can be obtained from the author.)
    ***

    The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.***
    Pretty scandalous stuff if it's true.
    Last edited by Gauvin; November 20, 2009 at 06:22 PM.

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    Crooked scientists screwing with evidence?

    What is this, a Michael Crichton novel?
    Everything the State says is a lie, everything it has is stolen.

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    I've read that novel.

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