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    Default Reid Readies Health Bill For Saturday Vote

    http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...19-717535.html
    WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, (D., Nev.) said Thursday that the Senate is poised to act on $848 billion health-care legislation, despite lingering uncertainty over whether he can secure enough support for the bill.
    Reid, appearing with other Senate Democrats at a rally at the Capitol, said that the bill fulfills a goal sought for decades to extend insurance coverage to Americans lacking ...
    Will we have a health care bill next week?
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    A bill? Sure, probably. Anything that actually goes to vote or further? Ha, I doubt it.

    BTW you left out the 'R' in Reid in the title.
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    Whatever happens, the evil religious right shall continue to pray to God for guidance. Whether Reid is a devil sent to test people with common sense, an angel with a divine mission, or just some greedy human... does it really matter? Armed revolution is the only way to stop America from becoming a police state, and American right-wingers are too scared to do anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterlight View Post
    Whatever happens, the evil religious right shall continue to pray to God for guidance. Whether Reid is a devil sent to test people with common sense, an angel with a divine mission, or just some greedy human... does it really matter? Armed revolution is the only way to stop America from becoming a police state, and American right-wingers are too scared to do anything.
    You do realize that the first country to have national public healthcare was Imperial Germany and that it was installed by Conservatives, against Socialists?
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    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    You do realize that the first country to have national public healthcare was Imperial Germany and that it was installed by Conservatives, against Socialists?
    You do realize it was installed in fear of socialists taking control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ænema View Post
    You do realize it was installed in fear of socialists taking control.
    Erm, yes, that's what I said. lrn2reed.

    And Bismarck copied it from employer-provided healthcare which was given by Krupp.
    Last edited by Dr. Croccer; November 21, 2009 at 05:08 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
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    Whatever happens, the evil religious right shall continue to pray to God for guidance. Whether Reid is a devil sent to test people with common sense, an angel with a divine mission, or just some greedy human... does it really matter? Armed revolution is the only way to stop America from becoming a police state, and American right-wingers are too scared to do anything.
    Yeah, because right before Hitler came to power he gave healthcare insurance to poor people...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sphere View Post
    Yeah, because right before Hitler came to power he gave healthcare insurance to poor people...

    Bismark had already done that, the first national insurance scheme in the world afaik. The Health Insurance Bill of 1883, the the Accident Insurance bill of 1884, and finanly the Old Age and Diability insurance of 1889.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    Bismark had already done that, the first national insurance scheme in the world afaik. The Health Insurance Bill of 1883, the the Accident Insurance bill of 1884, and finanly the Old Age and Diability insurance of 1889.
    Bismark had been forced to do that. The Labour movement in Germany during the late 19th C. was very strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bovril View Post
    Bismark had been forced to do that. The Labour movement in Germany during the late 19th C. was very strong.

    yes, true, he was above all a realist, the point I was making is that it wasn't the Nazis who bought in those things, they where far older.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sphere View Post
    Yeah, because right before Hitler came to power he gave healthcare insurance to poor people...
    And this makes healthcare evil?
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    I still doubt it will ever go through.

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    It don't matter, none of this matters-Carl
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    This will be nothing more than something drafted by Pharma for Pharma, not for the people
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ænema View Post
    http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...19-717535.html
    Will we have a health care bill next week?
    We already have a bill this week and don't need another. The question is will we get to the floor for debate next week.
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    the fact that a 2000 page bill that probably the majority of the senate hasnt even read may be passed is ridiculous enough


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    Its twenty years since the Berlin Wall fell. Its time to stop the Red Scare . The commies are not coming for us; we can give ourselves healthcare now.

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    Has anybody addressed the obvious problem with the US Senate introducing a new bill on spending rather than take up the spending bill passed by the US House on this matter? I know following the constitution is not of great importance to either party over political theatre, but....
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    Anyone want to "reid" it? All 2074 pages? All 9023 sections?

    Here it is:
    http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/111909_ReidBill.pdf
    Yes, the link was from FOX, but the .pdf is all Harry Reid, all the time ...


    @Viking
    If they pass this monstrosity, then the House and Senate get together for reconciliation, and come up with a bill that has aspects of both bills. This bill is then voted on in both House and Senate. If it passes in both Houses, then it goes to the Prez for his signature, after which they start immediately taxing people, even though "benefits" don't happen until 2014.

    2014? I thought people needed help NOW!


    @Winter
    The commies are still here. They just rule the United States, now ...

    Besides, I gave myself healthcare, already. I worked for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldgamer View Post

    @Winter
    The commies are still here. They just rule the United States, now ...

    Besides, I gave myself healthcare, already. I worked for it.

    wrong, sorry thanks for playing 'The Commies' do not rule the US atm, you can say that statist rule the US but that has been true since the founding fathers, that is as close to communism as it has got,

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    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    wrong, sorry thanks for playing 'The Commies' do not rule the US atm, you can say that statist rule the US but that has been true since the founding fathers, that is as close to communism as it has got,
    Do you know anything about the history of our fearless leader? Have you seen the radical leftists he's put into his government? Do you know anything of the Cloward-Blevins Strategy, which was based upon the work of the Marxist Saul Alinsky?

    The United States is an incipient Leftist tyranny, and I only hope that Americans wake up and put these Trotskyites out of office by 2012, before blood runs in the streets. And no, I don't want the latter ...

    @Barnaby
    The thing that no one is doing, except for people like myself ... on the outside ... is seriously questioning the need for a "bill", in the first place. If the need for healthcare was so critical, why do the benefits not "kick in" until 2014? Why not start them the day the Premiere signs the bill into law?

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