Israel again defies UN resolutions, refusing to sign NPT and allow IAEA inspectors into nuclear facilities

[Vince Noir]

A talk by the professor Noam Chomsky bought this to my attention. On the 18th September the UN voted that Israel open its nuclear facilities for inspection and that they must sign the NPT. Previous attempts at this had consistently failed due to Western (pro Israel) states veto-ing the resolution. No guesses for which countries eh?

Finally it has passed, however the Israeli government have decided it unfair, and that my friends is the end of it. I know they kept this extremely well hidden in the US, but you can find sources on the internet. As I said, I would not even have known if I wasn't present at the lecture. Governmental institutions indeed go to great lengths in order to align their deceitful news and popular opinion.

Sources -

http://politicallore.com/blog/?p=556

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/09/18/i...l-to-join-npt/

The Israeli government has officially said that it “deplores” the vote by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) member states to call on Israel to join the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and submit their nuclear facilities to the same oversight as the rest of the world does.

The vote narrowly passed, 49-45, and was generally opposed by Western nations while being supported by UN Security Council permanent members Russia and China, as well as most of the nations in the Middle East.

The United States ambassador Glyn Davies publicly rejected the resolution, calling it “redundant” and claiming that calling on Israel to join the NPT as every other nation in the Middle East has unfairly singled them out.

Canada went one step further, trying to block the vote entirely and condemning it as “unbalanced.” Votes on similar resolutions had been successfully blocked in 2007 and 2008, but this year’s attempt at blocking it failed.

The issue of Israel as a nuclear power and a non-signatory of the NPT has been controversial, and when a US State Department official said in May that the US wanted everyone to join the NPT Israel reacted with shock and outrage.

I find it laughable how long Israel tried to even deny their nuclear capability. Isn't the whole point so that it acts as deterrence? Deceit and more deceit.

If we are not willing to confront the nuclear problem as a whole, rather than picking and choosing who we help develop nuclear capability and who we threaten for such development, we are simply not making the world any safer.

[Poach]

In the papers today I saw Isreal accused the US of being a bully over their getting involved with the Palestinian peace process and asking for a halt on settlement building (which actually breaks the geneva convention according to the paper).

Talk about irony.

[eggthief]

I've been having the idea that Israel might have been bluffing a bit about their nuclear capabilities, or at least the suggested number of nukes that they would have. It would explain why they wouldn't want the truth to reach the future, especially with Iran around.

Probably not the case though, it's my personal suspicion.

[Kjertesvein]

This is a joke ...right?

[Vince Noir]

This is a joke ...right?

Haven't you heard? Israel are exempt from international law.

If you do some underground searching on the net and you can find more damning sources.

If you ever would like to listen to the Chomsky talk regarding Israel/Palestine -

http://www.union.ic.ac.uk/scc/pps/?s=event&id=20

He's the third speaker in, after the SOAS dean and Tariq Ali (brilliant political thinker and orator), and comes on after about 15 minutes. The wealth of knowledge this man has should be considered a threat to national security.

[Orko]

Haven't you heard? Israel are exempt from international law.

So is any other country. Jee, calm down, Israel-bashers!
Nobody gives a about the UN.

[Vince Noir]

No not everyone does as they please. Iran, if you haven't heard, has been internationally demonised and diplomatically raped, and for what? Nothing:

Belief: Iran is like North Korea in having an active nuclear weapons program, and is the same sort of threat to the world.

Actuality: Iran has a nuclear enrichment site at Natanz near Isfahan where it says it is trying to produce fuel for future civilian nuclear reactors to generate electricity. All Iranian leaders deny that this site is for weapons production, and the International Atomic Energy Agency has repeatedly inspected it and found no weapons program. Iran is not being completely transparent, generating some doubts, but all the evidence the IAEA and the CIA can gather points to there not being a weapons program. The 2007 National Intelligence Estimate by 16 US intelligence agencies, including the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency, assessed with fair confidence that Iran has no nuclear weapons research program. This assessment was based on debriefings of defecting nuclear scientists, as well as on the documents they brought out, in addition to US signals intelligence from Iran. While Germany, Israel and recently the UK intelligence is more suspicious of Iranian intentions, all of them were badly wrong about Iraq's alleged Weapons of Mass Destruction and Germany in particular was taken in by Curveball, a drunk Iraqi braggart.


Belief: The West recently discovered a secret Iranian nuclear weapons plant in a mountain near Qom.

Actuality: Iran announced Monday a week ago (this article was posted on the 1st October) to the International Atomic Energy Agency that it had begun work on a second, civilian nuclear enrichment facility near Qom. There are no nuclear materials at the site and it has not gone hot, so technically Iran is not in violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, though it did break its word to the IAEA that it would immediately inform the UN of any work on a new facility. Iran has pledged to allow the site to be inspected regularly by the IAEA, and if it honors the pledge, as it largely has at the Natanz plant, then Iran cannot produce nuclear weapons at the site, since that would be detected by the inspectors. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted on Sunday that Iran could not produce nuclear weapons at Natanz precisely because it is being inspected. Yet American hawks have repeatedly demanded a strike on Natanz.

These are the words of Juan Cole, an American scholar, public intellectual, and historian of the modern Middle East and South Asia. I repeat these are NOT the words of FOX news and CNN.

http://www.juancole.com/2009/10/top-...now-about.html

[Babur]

A talk by the professor Noam Chomsky bought this to my attention. On the 18th September the UN voted that Israel open its nuclear facilities for inspection and that they must sign the NPT. Previous attempts at this had consistently failed due to Western (pro Israel) states veto-ing the resolution. No guesses for which countries eh?

Finally it has passed, however the Israeli government have decided it unfair, and that my friends is the end of it. I know they kept this extremely well hidden in the US, but you can find sources on the internet. As I said, I would not even have known if I wasn't present at the lecture. Governmental institutions indeed go to great lengths in order to align their deceitful news and popular opinion.

Sources -

http://politicallore.com/blog/?p=556

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/09/18/i...l-to-join-npt/

I find it laughable how long Israel tried to even deny their nuclear capability. Isn't the whole point so that it acts as deterrence? Deceit and more deceit.

If we are not willing to confront the nuclear problem as a whole, rather than picking and choosing who we help develop nuclear capability and who we threaten for such development, we are simply not making the world any safer.

well that undermines the non-proliferation regime ,serious how is Iran ever going to give up its nuclear program if Israel does this?.

funny that I had a lecture which touched upon international law today

[Barry Ferguson]

The secret site in the mountains was revealed more than two weeks ago, and not by the Iranians. I also recall reading that it did not have the right sort of reactors to provide civilian energy but could produce a low-yield bomb

[Vince Noir]

The secret site in the mountains was revealed more than two weeks ago, and not by the Iranians. I also recall reading that it did not have the right sort of reactors to provide civilian energy but could produce a low-yield bomb

The source is rather old so not literally last week. It was actually revealed about 7 weeks ago. And what you read concerning the reactors was probably incorrect, that was kind of the point of this thread.

[Pickle_mole]

the UN, who are they to force any country to sign?

[Sidmen]

the UN, who are they to force any country to sign?

Agreed, I see that they didn't pass a resolution for India, Pakistan, and North Korea as well - why are they singling out Israel?

[roy34543]

I dont really understand how this makes sense, its not exactly diplomatically sensible to tell a country they have to sign a treaty, thats pretty much the equivalant of telling a country they have to do something and then to pretend that they actually agreed to do it.
I would understand a resoloution that they have to allow inspectors in , or even basically to dismantle the supposed ombs or declare them, but this is just illogical.

Finally it has passed, however the Israeli government have decided it unfair, and that my friends is the end of it. I know they kept this extremely well hidden in the US, but you can find sources on the internet. As I said, I would not even have known if I wasn't present at the lecture. Governmental institutions indeed go to great lengths in order to align their deceitful news and popular opinion.

I would rather imagine that most people simply dont care much. Most UN resoloutions seem to have an aura of apathy about them. Do you think the average person knows who the secretary geneal of the UN is?

[eggthief]

Quick! Somebody yell out loud "Anti-semitism, anti-semitism!"

[Caelius]

the UN, who are they to force any country to sign?

Pickle_mole wins the thread

The UN is bending the tenets of its own charter by trying to force any sovereign country to sign anything, to say the least singling out Israel while ignoring other countries that have not signed the NPT.

[Treize]

We should invade the place, pacify it and create the 1948 borders.

[Vince Noir]

I dont really understand how this makes sense, its not exactly diplomatically sensible to tell a country they have to sign a treaty, thats pretty much the equivalant of telling a country they have to do something and then to pretend that they actually agreed to do it. Iwould understand a resoloution that they have to allow inspectors in , or even basically to dismantle the supposed ombs or declare them, but this is just illogical.

I would rather imagine that most people simply dont care much. Most UN resoloutions seem to have an aura of apathy about them. Do you think the average person knows who the secretary geneal of the UN is?

No, but then again the average person is an idiot.

It does not make diplomatic sense? How...? Do you not read the papers, and follow the stories concerning Iran? Do you not read Israel's and America's violent war of sanctions and political slandering against Iran? I don't even know why or how Israel even remains in the UN, they have ignored it's 100s of resolutions against them. Most countries do comply actually. Do you know of any others that have refused to sign the NPT and not allow IAEA inspectors inside their nuclear facilities? I don't. The point of this thread is the overwhelming hypocrisy.

[roy34543]

No, but then again the average person is an idiot.

It does not make diplomatic sense? How...? Do you not read the papers, and follow the stories concerning Iran? Do you not read Israel's and America's violent war of sanctions and political slandering against Iran? I don't even know why or how Israel even remains in the UN, they have ignored it's 100s of resolutions against them. Most countries do comply actually. Do you know of any others that have refused to sign the NPT and not allow IAEA inspectors inside their nuclear facilities? I don't. The point of this thread is the overwhelming hypocrisy.

No no look, It makes diplomatic sense to tell Israel to let inspectors in.
It does not make sense to force someone to sign a treaty.
Its like a court of law saying that you dont have to pay a thousand dollars , you have to sign a a document stating that you are quite happy to give 1000 dollars to someone , thank you very much .
Thats why it doesnt make sense. Signing a treaty implies that you agree with it.

[Vince Noir]

No no look, It makes diplomatic sense to tell Israel to let inspectors in.
It does not make sense to force someone to sign a treaty.
Its like a court of law saying that you dont have to pay a thousand dollars , you have to sign a a document stating that you are quite happy to give 1000 dollars to someone , thank you very much .
Thats why it doesnt make sense. Signing a treaty implies that you agree with it.

And it makes diplomatic sense to persecute Iran? Israel has been particularly vehement about this.

Why would a country refuse to sign the NPT? And why would Israel refuse to allow IAEA inspectors in? In makes perfect sense to diplomatically force a dangerous nation into complying with international regulations, that is what the UN should be doing and if they succeeded the world would be a far safer place. The presentation in the media of Iran was disgusting while this went completely unannounced in American news. And I think it is a pretty big deal. India and Pakistan have not even been asked to sign or join, and North Korea are an autocratic state that listens no diplomacy out of principal.

The UN passed a resolution for the betterment and safety of humanity. As a member Israel should comply and it is grotesquely hypercritical not to. But of course, this is a state that has directly ignored hundreds and hundreds of UN resolutions documenting crimes against humanity. Not to mention the point blank refusal to even acknowledge the Goldstone report.

When people joke about UN failure to act, the majority of their failures stem from Israel's defiance.

[roy34543]

And it makes diplomatic sense to persecute Iran? Israel has been particularly vehement about this.

Why would a country refuse to sign the NPT? And why would Israel refuse to allow IAEA inspectors in? In makes perfect sense to diplomatically force a dangerous nation into complying with international regulations, that is what the UN should be doing and if they succeeded the world would be a far safer place. The presentation in the media of Iran was disgusting while this went completely unannounced in American news. And I think it is a pretty big deal. India and Pakistan have not even been asked to sign or join, and North Korea are an autocratic state that listens no diplomacy out of principal.

The UN passed a resolution for the betterment and safety of humanity. As a member Israel should comply and it is grotesquely hypercritical not to. But of course, this is a state that has directly ignored hundreds and hundreds of UN resolutions documenting crimes against humanity. Not to mention the point blank refusal to even acknowledge the Goldstone report.

When people joke about UN failure to act, the majority of their failures stem from Israel's defiance.

You actually still dont understand my point, The fact is that it simply doesnt make sense to force a country to sign a treaty . It might make sense to say, force them to let international inspectors in, It doesnt make sense to force them to sign a treaty however, because signing a treaty implies that you agree with it.
Understand yet? Id also like to point out that Iran did sign the NPT willingly and claims it is entirely complaint with it.

Israel on the other hand never did sign it, so the nuclear weapons it is assumed to have are technically legal, or at least theyre not illegal. In truth there isnt really a valid reason for Israel to be singled out for having nuclear weapons because it might have had them in 1958. before the treaty even existed. I guess you might have a problem with Israel having nuclear weapons, But it seems that its been fine for the last 51 years.

I'm curious as to why Israel won't sign though, I'd figure it would be a good move to help clean up their reputation as of late without really hampering themselves.

Because pretending you might have nukes is an awful lot scarier then admitting you have nukes. Its easier to bluff if noone can see if you even have any cards or if youve even been playing in the first place.