British uniforms are too dark. Please make lighter red uniforms

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  1. KLAssurbanipal's Avatar

    KLAssurbanipal said:

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    British uniforms are too dark. Please make lighter red uniforms




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    Salvo said:

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    Nice find mateREP++
    I agree with You.
    CA You make good job with historical uniforms, but there are still some things You have to improve.
     
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    Jack Lusted said:

    Default Re: British uniforms are too dark. Please make lighter red uniforms

    And as stated before those sreenshots are ones using the placeholder images and are not representative of the final game or the uniforms Britain actually has in the game.

    I would suggest waiting until more screenshots showing off the new uniforms have come out before making threads like this otherwise you are making threads about things that have already changed.
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    Salvo said:

    Default Re: British uniforms are too dark. Please make lighter red uniforms

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Lusted View Post
    And as stated before those sreenshots are ones using the placeholder images and are not representative of the final game or the uniforms Britain actually has in the game.

    I would suggest waiting until more screenshots showing off the new uniforms have come out before making threads like this otherwise you are making threads about things that have already changed.
    Good
    But please understund us. We just want to be sure there won't similar situation like with Empire, when You said that units will be improved and they weren't...
     
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    mp0295 said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salvo View Post
    Good
    But please understund us. We just want to be sure there won't similar situation like with Empire, when You said that units will be improved and they weren't...
    Ok dude are you serious? IT A SHADE TOO DARK. GET OVER IT. i think there are some more important thing to do right now!


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    cottontail said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by mp0295 View Post
    Ok dude are you serious? IT A SHADE TOO DARK. GET OVER IT. i think there are some more important thing to do right now!

    Completely agree, the uniforms are last on my mind when the AI could be improved.

    I don't care about the bloody uniform!!!! I just want a challenge and something shootable!!!!!

    oh, and take this rep...
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    Rt. Hon. Gentleman said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by cottontail View Post
    Completely agree, the uniforms are last on my mind when the AI could be improved.

    I don't care about the bloody uniform!!!! I just want a challenge and something shootable!!!!!

    oh, and take this rep...
    'm not that fussed personally, but if the uniforms were colour/style x in reality, why make them colour/style y in the game?
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  8. Didz said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by cottontail View Post
    Completely agree, the uniforms are last on my mind when the AI could be improved.
    As far as I'm concerned the standard and accuracy of the uniforms, is a direct measure of the care beng applied to the rest of the game. This was certainly true of ETW, where CA not only got the uniforms wrong, they got the entire game wrong, both in terms of tactics. strategy, diplomacy, challenge and gameplay. The poor uniforms were therefore, an accurate measure of the lack of attention and interst applied to the rest of the game including the quaility of the coding.

    Therefore, the extent to which we can see an improvement in the uniforms (which is the easiest bit to get right) is the best indication we have of the extent to which we can expect to see improvements elsewhere. If nothing else it shows how committed the design team are to getting this game right.

    It's really as simple as that.
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  9. Frost, colonel said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by cottontail View Post
    Completely agree, the uniforms are last on my mind when the AI could be improved.

    God, we have whiners on this board, no wonder CA never shares anything with us, everybody starts crying the minute the button is wrong.

    I don't care about the bloody uniform!!!! I just want a challenge and something shootable!!!!!

    oh, and take this rep...
    If you "don't care about the bloody uniform!!!!" then why are you even commenting in this bloody thread?
    It has been said before, and needs to be said again for the uninformed, there are different people working on the AI(hopefully there working on it). Jack Lusted and team work on the uniforms, etc. And it is to those that this thread is addressed, not your precious AI team!!!!

    "we have whiners on this board, no wonder CA never shares anything with us, everybody starts crying the minute the button is wrong".
    And yet CA is sharing with us, and believe it or not Jack Lusted has politely taken the time to discuss details of the uniforms, with people who hopefully have the freedom of choice to express their concerns, over uniform details, without being called "whiners". Now whilst I understand your frustrations with said AI, or lack of, is that a fair excuse to hassle others with different interests/concerns?

    Now onto your precious AI, people are often whinning about it, and CA rarely or never come onto this forum to discuss it, so maybe you need to eat the poop your shovelling????
     
  10. Didz said:

    Default Re: British uniforms are too dark. Please make lighter red uniforms

    British uniform jackets actually went darker with wear, turning almost brick red over time, due to the red dye leeching from the cloth. Fresh recruits joining the army in Spain frequently mistook veteran British soldiers for Portuguese militia, simply becuase of their tanned skin and brown jackets.

    However, having said that, the image you posted makes it quite clear that in certain conditions its hard to distinquish the red jackets of the British models from the Blue of the French. In the foreground for instance they are almost identical. Making the British jackets lighter could help.

    P.S. Is it me or are some of those British soldiers wearing white gloves, if so why?

    P.P.S. Has anyone else noticed also, that every one of them is a flank company man, and a huge nimber are sergeants. Not really sure what thats all about. Hopefully, the units use have just been cobbled together from a limited stock of finished models, as you clearly didn't get battalions of flank companies, or sergeants.

    P.P.P.S. Ok! getting nit-picky now, but there is something wrong with the sergeants jackets too. The privates seem to have the correct button lace, but the Sergeants jackets look odd. To me it looks like someone has given them officers jackets, you can just see the turned back lapel at the throat showing the regimental facing colour. Looks like someone needs to do some corrective editing on the Sergeant model.

    P.P.P.P.S. Right! I'm going to stop looking at that picture now becuase the more I look the worse it gets. French Grenadiers, wrong colur epaulettes, should be Red not Gold, Shako Cords should be white not red, collars plain blue not piped, coat tails and cuffs red not white.

    Is this an old picture, becuase I thought most of these problems had been sorted?

    Ah! ok I see Jack has already pointed that out. So, shutting up now.
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  11. Frost, colonel said:

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    Aren't the Brit's in the screenshot all wearing a Sargeants waist sash? But to be fair to CA, the games not out yet.
     
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    Jack Lusted said:

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    P.S. Is it me or are some of those British soldiers wearing white gloves, if so why?
    Because they are the old placeholder models.

    Aren't the Brit's in the screenshot all wearing a Sargeants waist sash? But to be fair to CA, the games not out yet.
    And half of them are wearing officer coats too, but then as said, old placeholder models you haven't seen pics yet of British infantry using the new uniform system. ou have seen pics of British Life Guards and other cavalry units, and the colour of the Life Guards coat should give you an idea of how the final British infantry coats will be coloured. And officers coats and gloves will be strictly limited to actually officers along with officers belts.
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  13. KLAssurbanipal's Avatar

    KLAssurbanipal said:

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    So please next time post actual screens This first screen was posted yesterday... (British Infantry vs French Artillery)
     
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    Jack Lusted said:

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    There is quite a delay in the process of screenshots being taken to be shown and them actually being seen in public. It's why you are still seeing pics of the placeholder models emerge alongside pics of units using the new uniform system which are quite old themselves. It is just how things work.
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    Salvo said:

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    Do soldiers in one unit have different trousers (black and blue)? Could You make only one colour for soldiers in the same unit? This will be historical accure.
     
  16. exNowy said:

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    These placeholder model units uniforms are not perfect, but they are much better than units in ETW.
    I am waiting for screenshots where units using new uniform system prepared to final NTW.
     
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    KLAssurbanipal said:

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    First were published screens (these as you said with British Dragoons, Guards and Russian Infantry) but after this: French Artillery vs British Infantry. Please next time won't show old engine screens
     
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    Ragga said:

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    the second picture, although it is with the place holders, seems to do better with the units (there is a lack of the 4th sprite and the units that are the furthest away still look like units... and not paper dolls)
     
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    KLAssurbanipal said:

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    Jack_Lusted, I see new picture - showed today. Uniforms are good - lighter red, but... Very nice screens but British Food Guards should wear gaitres (white), because long trousers wore other regiments. Grenadiers of Foot Guards wore white gaitres



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    Jack Lusted said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Louise Assurbanipal View Post
    Jack_Lusted, I see new picture - showed today. Uniforms are good - lighter red, but... Very nice screens but British Food Guards should wear gaitres (white), because long trousers wore other regiments. Grenadiers of Foot Guards wore white gaitres
    Those are British Republican Foot Guards, hence the Bearskin as British Foot Guards never wore bearskins on campaign and didn't wear gaiters on campaign, normal British Foot Guards will wear Belgic Shakos and long white trousers.
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