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    Ok, let's keep this discussion civilized and sensible.

    From what it seems to be, a the prospects of Karabakh peace deal are getting much better especially after the Ossetia War. However, what do you guys believe will be the REALISTIC terms to the peace deal? What I envision would be maybe a possibility is that after returning the "buffer zones" to Azeri, and lachin corridor would become either internaltionally controlled (by UN, EU) or controlled by both Armenia and Azerbaijan (this issue is rather tough).

    Then I believe there would be a final referendum in Karabakh on Karabakh's status, but Armenia would agree not to make Karabakh part of Armenia. Refugees could return to Karabakh and if independence was achieved after referendum, the Azeri minority would be given language rights, etc. They would probably be concentrated in one part of Karabakh. However, the problem here may be conflict again between Azeri and Armenian inside Karabakh. Karabakh would definitely need a lot of peacekeepers in the country. Alyiev once said that he would be ready to give Karabakh highest autonomy in the world for Karabakh, but it still be in Azerbaijan borders. I believe that these are just words and that Karabakh would go back to square 1. It would be better for both countries an independent Karabakh which would be open to the Azeri refugees and have economic and political relations with Azerbaijan; I think it may be the best compromise. (even though our side are not the ones that need to do the compromising given we won the war)
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    turkey to armenia: do you wanna have at least the resemblance of a economy?

    armenia: (suspiciously ) yes...

    azeris: KARABAKH!!!

    turkey: what he said! give karabakh back or at least let the refugees back

    world: WTF is a Karabakh?? or a AZERI for that matter

    russia:.. i shud probably be involved in this...

    armenia: but i dont wanna!!!.. its MINE!!!

    EU/UN: hey! were the guys supposed to tell everyone else how to do everything!!!.. how bout a referendum!

    azeri: thatd be nice if 99% of the azeris werent killed or driven off

    armenia: hehehe.. we had some foresight now didnt we.. hehehe


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sipahizade View Post
    turkey to armenia: do you wanna have at least the resemblance of a economy?

    armenia: (suspiciously ) yes...

    azeris: KARABAKH!!!

    turkey: what he said! give karabakh back or at least let the refugees back

    world: WTF is a Karabakh?? or a AZERI for that matter

    russia:.. i shud probably be involved in this...

    armenia: but i dont wanna!!!.. its MINE!!!

    EU/UN: hey! were the guys supposed to tell everyone else how to do everything!!!.. how bout a referendum!

    azeri: thatd be nice if 99% of the azeris werent killed or driven off

    armenia: hehehe.. we had some foresight now didnt we.. hehehe


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sipahizade View Post
    turkey to armenia: do you wanna have at least the resemblance of a economy?

    armenia: (suspiciously ) yes...

    azeris: KARABAKH!!!

    turkey: what he said! give karabakh back or at least let the refugees back

    world: WTF is a Karabakh?? or a AZERI for that matter

    russia:.. i shud probably be involved in this...

    armenia: but i dont wanna!!!.. its MINE!!!

    EU/UN: hey! were the guys supposed to tell everyone else how to do everything!!!.. how bout a referendum!

    azeri: thatd be nice if 99% of the azeris werent killed or driven off

    armenia: hehehe.. we had some foresight now didnt we.. hehehe


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    why so much armenian news? why dont they just trade lands, the azeris hold an island of land in south armenia and armenian rebels hold karabahk, just trade and call it good?
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    John, do you remember my proposal? just one-two years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by white-wolf View Post
    John, do you remember my proposal? just one-two years ago.
    Was that more or less "if Armenians keep Nagorno-Karabagh, Armenia should cede something in return?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by John I Tzimisces View Post
    Was that more or less "if Armenians keep Nagorno-Karabagh, Armenia should cede something in return?"
    something like that, should search the actual thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John I Tzimisces View Post
    Was that more or less "if Armenians keep Nagorno-Karabagh, Armenia should cede something in return?"
    I think Azeris would want Armenians to cede a strip of land that would connect them to Nakhijevan but then in that case Armenia would also cede its border with Iran. Armenia receives gas and has economic ties with Iran, so that won't happen.
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    Referandum only possible after the refugees returning their homeland.

    Azerbaijan's deal is there. Highly autonomous status for Karabakh within Azerbaijan, direct contact with Armenia, building the economy of Karabakh etc...

    No other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atabeg View Post
    Referandum only possible after the refugees returning their homeland.

    Azerbaijan's deal is there. Highly autonomous status for Karabakh within Azerbaijan, direct contact with Armenia, building the economy of Karabakh etc...

    No other way around.
    I'm not sure the armenians will accept anything but full independence of NK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralle18 View Post
    I'm not sure the armenians will accept anything but full independence of NK.
    And that is only a dream, they already have held illegal referandums several times, wich did not mean anything and will neither do from now on.

    Its their choice, because the arms race are already in Azerbaijan's favor by a huge difference, as time passes, it will be even a bigger difference. If they really want to live where they do now, better they accept the terms. Otherwise, Armenia will recieve 150 thousound refugees.

    After all these terrorist acts by Armenians of Karabakh, our population are even ready to live together with them, but Armenians...
    Last edited by Atabeg; November 19, 2009 at 03:32 PM.

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    "Withdrawal of Armenian troops from Azerbaijan’s occupied territories has been negotiated: Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry"

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    “Liberation of occupied Azerbaijani territories was subject of negotiations at all times as a its component part,” Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Elkhan Polukhov said.

    Armenian Foreign Minister Edward Nalbandyan recently stated that Armenia has not discussed issues of refugees and seven regions surrounding the Nagorno-Karabakh with Azerbaijan.

    “I do not know with whom Azerbaijan has discussed the issues of refugees or seven regions around the “Nagorno-Karabakh Republic” as only status of Nagorno-Karabakh is currently being negotiated,” Nalbandyan said.

    “The Madrid Principles as well as the so-called Prague process imply liberation of occupied Azerbaijani territories. Moreover, withdrawal of Armenian armed forces from the occupied territories of Azerbaijan is one of the issues already agreed upon between the parties,” Polukhov said.

    “Often returning to this issue and raising it internal debates, the Armenian side indirectly confirms that such issue was raised and it has been negotiated,” he added.

    “Regarding participation of Armenian community of Nagorno-Karabakh in negotiations, Azerbaijan’s stance is that Armenian and Azerbaijani communities of Nagorno-Karabakh will discuss status of the region with leadership of the Azerbaijan Republic after liberation of occupied territories of Azerbaijan within country’s territorial integrity,” he said.

    Armenian foreign minister also said that it is impossible to solve the Nagorno Karabakh conflict without direct participation of the separatist Karabakh in the negotiations.

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    Quick question (because i can't spell any of these places to do a search). How long ago did the Armenians kick the Aseri out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidmen View Post
    Quick question (because i can't spell any of these places to do a search). How long ago did the Armenians kick the Aseri out?
    early 1990s

    Azeris also kicked Armenians out, like close to a century ago.
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    the 90's? Then Yeah, I support the Azeri right of return pror to a vote.

    If it was forever ago (60 or so years) then I wouldn't. There comes a point when its simply been too long to expect to just go back to where you came from. And that point happens when the origional people are dead and their 10 children want to return.
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    Armenians are funny aren't they. They talk about referandum yet reject the idea of Azeri refugees returning to Karabakh. Guess why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atabeg View Post
    Armenians are funny aren't they. They talk about referandum yet reject the idea of Azeri refugees returning to Karabakh. Guess why.
    what do you think about the massacares by Azeris to Armenians much earlier?....around 1910-20s if I remember correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogukan View Post
    what do you think about the massacares by Azeris to Armenians much earlier?....around 1910-20s if I remember correctly.
    He'll probably dismiss it as irrelevant because it happened so long ago, or write a 500 word essay probably coming to the conclusion of it either being the Armenian's fault, or never having happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogukan View Post
    what do you think about the massacares by Azeris to Armenians much earlier?....around 1910-20s if I remember correctly.
    What? Are you that ignorant?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia...cres_1905-1907

    Also, as your from Turkey, never heard of Nuri Pasha? What did he in Azerbaijan do you think? Armenians and Russians were commiting genocide and he came and stopped it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baku

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