NTW Uniform Comparision

Just thought because now we got the latest pics from NTW, I would compare the uniforms historically. Just shows CA has done their homework, uniforms are about 99% correct. But what about gameplay....


Look at the Russians in the middle (Particularly the drummer with the strips on his arm):


Look at the Russian Opolcherie on the right and left of the officer.


Now look at this chart (Compare the uniforms, the drummer is pretty accurate, so is the Opolecherie.)


Now look at these British Hussars (Queens Hussars)


Now look at this diagram below, pretty accurate right!



Now look at the British Life Guard below


And this one, CA has done a great job. (The one on the left)


Now look at the Carabiner on the right


And this one below (This is the parade unifrom, so things like golden braces wouldn't be their in battle)

Their Still WIPs

You know, I think Napoleon is going to beat up ETW when it is released.

I ain't even disappointed anymore at CA.

Originally Posted by SovietSoldier

You know, I think Napoleon is going to beat up ETW when it is released.

I ain't even disappointed anymore at CA.

Same, just don't get too hyped about it. Still I'm hoping that this will be the best TW to date. At least we can almost say for sure, its going to be better then ETW. I'm glad to see some optimisim around here.

Originally Posted by Marshal Beale

Same, just don't get too hyped about it. Still I'm hoping that this will be the best TW to date. At least we can almost say for sure, its going to be better then ETW. I'm glad to see some optimisim around here.

Here, here! we need more of it! Thise unifirms do look promising. Great job CA, I'd rep you but you are not here...so it will go to the OP in your stead

Originally Posted by SovietSoldier

You know, I think Napoleon is going to beat up ETW when it is released.

I ain't even disappointed anymore at CA.

I would have to agree. I think CA has learned their lesson.

Isn't the last pic, an Austrian Cuirassier, not a Carabiner? Also CA's is a trooper? and your comparing it to an officer. Only my thoughts, I could well be wrong.
Looks like CA are making a good effort to make the uniforms look decent. It will certainly help me to enjoy the game.

Originally Posted by Frost, colonel

Isn't the last pic, an Austrian Cuirassier, not a Carabiner? Also CA's is a trooper? and your comparing it to an officer. Only my thoughts, I could well be wrong.
Looks like CA are making a good effort to make the uniforms look decent. It will certainly help me to enjoy the game.

The one on te left is an Austrian cuirasser, the right is a carabiner, (I may be wrong) but my pic may not be entirly correct, it was just found quickly on Google Images, I couldn't find a better pic. Anyway your right, its starting to become clear that CA is trying to balance everything out after ETW's horrible outcome. With the same unit being used for every nation but wth different colours in ETW, that obviously will not be an issue in NTW.

The one on the left is a Russian Guard Cavalry. To be more correct he is a Life Guard, dark dusk cover with Imperial Star, red stripe between two gold on the edges. The reference picture you compare it with is also a Russian Guard, but that is a Horse Guard, red dusk cover with blue stripe between two golden stripes on the edges.

On the right you see a trumpeter of a French Cuirassier regiment. I only know the 9th and 11th French Cuirassier regiments using yellow clad trumpeters. Every regiment had its own preference and used different colourful uniforms for their trumpeters, no cuirassier were worn so they could be clearly seen and move faster. In the back ground you can also see a French Cuirassier.

Cheers,

Tim aka LZ

normal Russian Cuirassiers who historically looked exactly the same but with different facing colours.

That depends what Russian Cuirassier regiment you used as a reference. The easiest way to distinguish a Russian Guard from a Russian Cuirassier are facings, collar, dusk covers, pistol covers, munition box, banners and helmet. They were all slightly different, but hard to tell from a distance, so I understand some better visual differentiation is needed.

What we did for NTW2 is we used the Russian Ashtrahkan Regiment as a base for our Russian Cuirassier as they used yellow, facings, collar, pistol cover and dusk cover and than you see directly the difference with the Russian Guards.

This way we were still accurate and you clearly could see the difference between a Russian Cuirassier and a Russian Guard. Maybe a nice tip Jack. :-)

Cheers,

Tim aka LZ

Bottom Napoleon picture has trumpeter from French Cuirassiers fighting Russian Lifeguard Horse. Uniform is slightly inaccurate in that they use a helmet that was used before the cuirass was re-adpoted in 1812 but that has been done to make them more visually different from normal Russian Cuirassiers who historically looked exactly the same but with different facing colours.

Originally Posted by Jack Lusted

Bottom Napoleon picture has trumpeter from French Cuirassiers fighting Russian Lifeguard Horse. Uniform is slightly inaccurate in that they use a helmet that was used before the cuirass was re-adpoted in 1812 but that has been done to make them more visually different from normal Russian Cuirassiers who historically looked exactly the same but with different facing colours.

Yes, you are right and I am so glad that these uniforms are much better than in ETW.
If CA make few more points from my wishlist for NTW I will buy this game.

Nice pictures! Are the skins/models from Empire or are they the newly created ones for Napoleon? Either way they look impressive.

As for historical accuracy - I know virtually nothing about this period's uniforms so I can't judge them on that.

Originally Posted by Jack Lusted

Bottom Napoleon picture has trumpeter from French Cuirassiers fighting Russian Lifeguard Horse. Uniform is slightly inaccurate in that they use a helmet that was used before the cuirass was re-adpoted in 1812 but that has been done to make them more visually different from normal Russian Cuirassiers who historically looked exactly the same but with different facing colours.

well,i agree that CA has really done their work in this area after more of 9 years of not doing so.
but,is very important that the factions have variety and quantity of historical types of units, especially the most important factions.

Jack do these units use the new uniform system or are they still WIP's?

Jack do these units use the new uniform system or are they still WIP's?

They use the new system though of course there is still some touching up being done. For example the colour of the kiwer shakos worn by the Russians has been darkened since these screenshots were taken.

What we did for NTW2 is we used the Russian Ashtrahkan Regiment as a base for our Russian Cuirassier as they used yellow, facings, collar, pistol cover dusk cover and than you see directly the difference with the Russian Guards.

This way we were still accurate and you clearly could see the difference between a Russian Cuirassier and a Russian Guard. Maybe a good tip Jack. :-)

Cheers,

Tim aka LZ

Just wanted a more distinct difference between the two, especially as we also have the Chevalier Garde as their own unit and having 3 units basically the same apart from facing and collar colours is something we don't really want. I think the distinction we made is a reasonable one, as it is still a Russian Napoleonic era helmet, just from a few years earlier than the reintroduction of the Cuirass.

Russian Guard consisted only out of two The Life Guard (red ) and Horse Guard (blue) Regiments in 1812. Only in 1813 a third was added the Cuirassier Guards. I believe the term Chevalier Guard is used sometimes for the Russian Guards in general or for the early Life Guards. But that is not the correct term I believe.

But still good to see CA is taking a serious look at the uniforms.

Cheers,

Tim aka LZ

Russian Guard consisted only out of two The Life Guard (red ) and Horse Guard (blue) Regiments in 1812. Only in 1813 a third was added the Cuirassier Guards. I believe the term Chevalier Guard is used sometimes for the Russian Guards in general or for the early Life Guards. But that is not the correct term I believe.

The reference books I've got all mention the Chevalier Garde as a specific regiment in the Russian lifeguard horse.

Anyway, this discussion is getting away from the original purpose of the thread.