UK General Election

[Copperknickers II]

A little experiment - UK citizens only, vote for the party you would vote for if there was a general election right now, based on your own feelings about which party would be best based on aims, past performance, experience, etc.

Secret ballot, of course. Results will be shown in 40 days.

[Saxon wårolord]

Conservatives, definitly.

[Azog 150]

I'll just quote my post from the other thread:

Lib Dems. I am sick of the Labour, Tory, Labour, Tory cycle. Its time we gave someone else a chance because, lets be honest, those two just take turns clearing up the other ones mess and running this country further into the ground. I am surprised the British public aren't sick of them and choose someone else.

The Lib Dems do however have several policies that I am not too fond off, but they are the most likely 3rd party to get in.

[Martin N]

Lib Dems. I am sick of the Labour, Tory, Labour, Tory cycle. Its time we gave someone else a chance because, lets be honest, those two just take turns clearing up the other ones mess and running this country further into the ground. I am surprised the British public aren't sick of them and choose someone else.

The Lib Dems do however have several policies that I am not too fond off, but they are the most likely 3rd party to get in.

You are very much like america it seems, a two party system, from term to term it will always go democrats then republicans or in this case conservatives and labour, because both parties mess up and generally are hated by the public so the people vote the other party just to escape another 4/8 years of hell, yet they realise that both parties are just the same, with the same policies and ethics but they think they are no alternatives so they just vote for the other party. A very sickening affair

I would vote liberal democrats if i was british, once again like america the 3rd party, generally the better party for the country, the libertarians are shaded out, and the lib dems seem to follow almost the same line as the libertarians, so yeah as i am a libertarian my choice is clear.

[Shaun]

You are very much like america it seems, a two party system, from term to term it will always go democrats then republicans or in this case conservatives and labour, because both parties mess up and generally are hated by the public so the people vote the other party just to escape another 4/8 years of hell, yet they realise that both parties are just the same, with the same policies and ethics but they think they are no alternatives so they just vote for the other party. A very sickening affair

I would vote liberal democrats if i was british, once again like america the 3rd party, generally the better party for the country, the libertarians are shaded out, and the lib dems seem to follow almost the same line as the libertarians, so yeah as i am a libertarian my choice is clear.

If you think the Liberal Democrats are anything like American libertarians you are mistaken.

[Denny Crane!]

If you think the Liberal Democrats are anything like American libertarians you are mistaken.

The are ''anything like the libertarians'' not exactly like them but I can point out several glaringingly obvious similarities.

edit: That being said the things that do make them different stop me supporting them, I'll be voting conservative if I vote at all.

[Shaun]

The are ''anything like the libertarians'' not exactly like them but I can point out several glaringingly obvious similarities

Other than the fact that they are both the third biggest parties yet still will not ever get elected in the foreseeable future I can't see any similarities.

[eggthief]

Can't you at least put the option "I'm not from the UK" in it? I just would like to vote on at least one thing.

[removeduser_487563287433]

What was the point of making a hidden poll, including the Wessex Regional Party or the "communist parties", whatever they may be?

I will be voting for the Conservative candidate.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Americans stop reading after the first three letters.

LIB!

CON!

[vizi]

Americans stop reading after the first three letters.

LIB!

CON!

I made it all the way to Communists and voted for them!

[removeduser_487563287433]

I can point out three glaringly obviously similarities.

The first three letters.

[Syriana]

Labour.

Because the alternative is one or more terms of a whiny pre-pubescent spin-doctor who is an irritation to Labourites and a disgrace to true conservatives.

[Denny Crane!]

The Liberal Democrats describe their ideology as giving "power to the people"; they are against the concentration of power in unaccountable bodies. They propose decentralisation of power out of Westminster, and electoral and parliamentary reform, to create a system of tiered government structures to make decisions at what they see as the right level, including regional assemblies, the European Union, and international organisations. Lib Dems want to protect civil liberties, and oppose state intervention in personal affairs.

Many libertarians in the UK identify with the lib dems. Go on the various forums around they attract the mild classic liberals to the hardcore minimalists. Trying to paint it out as stupidity is.... stupid?

Shaun, that is understandable. If you know nothing about the liberal democrats.

Edit no2. The party's presidential book of office, On Liberty, defines the harm principle. Could have come right out of a textbook on Locke: That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilised community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others."

[removeduser_487563287433]

The Liberal Democrats describe their ideology as giving "power to the people"; they are against the concentration of power in unaccountable bodies. They propose decentralisation of power out of Westminster, and electoral and parliamentary reform, to create a system of tiered government structures to make decisions at what they see as the right level, including regional assemblies, the European Union, and international organisations. Lib Dems want to protect civil liberties, and oppose state intervention in personal affairs.

Many libertarians in the UK identify with the lib dems. Go on the various forums around they attract the mild classic liberals to the hardcore minimalists. Trying to paint it out as stupidity is.... stupid?

Shaun, that is understandable. If you know nothing about the liberal democrats.

Lib Dems also want exceptionally high tax rates on the rch, an expansion of the welfare state, etc. etc. Not libertarian in the least.

One might point out there is already a Libertarian Party.

[Denny Crane!]

Lib Dems also want exceptionally high tax rates on the rch, an expansion of the welfare state, etc. etc. Not libertarian in the least.

One might point out there is already a Libertarian Party.

I'm aware of that. One of the reasons they would never get my vote and I have commented on this more than one time on the forums is that they are a really mixed up party that don't know where they want to be.

They want high taxes, they want close integration into the EU and whole bunch of other policies they've either decided are sensible or in their move to a more centrist and from their point of view electable position but their basic fundamental philosophies that they have previously based their policies on and many members, supporters and some of their politicians is minimalist and a belief in decentralisation. Despite wanting the high taxes they still believe in decentralisation and that is one of the prime examples of where they are concurrent with the current ideas of minimalists in the United States.

So....? I did point out there were differences but similarities as well. You can actually be a minimalist and still believe in high taxes. The lib dems are not electable in my opinion though until they sort out where they want to be and what their policies are. Perhaps the only way for them to do that is a short term in office I don't know.

[Admiral Piett]

Lib Dems also want exceptionally high tax rates on the rch, an expansion of the welfare state, etc. etc. Not libertarian in the least.

One might point out there is already a Libertarian Party.

You can be libertarian and not be a die-hard capitalist.

[removeduser_487563287433]

You can be libertarian and not be a die-hard capitalist.

That's not what I am saying at all, but libertarianism is a double edged blade, and the Liberal Democrats' idea of high Government involvement in people's lives is not it.

[Admiral Piett]

That's not what I am saying at all, but libertarianism is a double edged blade, and the Liberal Democrats' idea of high Government involvement in people's lives is not it.

They are still considerably more libertarian than most of the other parties, Ferrets. Any platform that constitutes any kind of cuts, decentralization, etc is more libertarian than their rivals.

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[Syriana]

The Liberal Democrats describe their ideology as giving "power to the people"; they are against the concentration of power in unaccountable bodies. They propose decentralisation of power out of Westminster, and electoral and parliamentary reform, to create a system of tiered government structures to make decisions at what they see as the right level, including regional assemblies, the European Union, and international organisations. Lib Dems want to protect civil liberties, and oppose state intervention in personal affairs.

Many libertarians in the UK identify with the lib dems. Go on the various forums around they attract the mild classic liberals to the hardcore minimalists. Trying to paint it out as stupidity is.... stupid?

Shaun, that is understandable. If you know nothing about the liberal democrats.

Libertarians are anti-state, full-stop.

The political platform of the Libertarian Party reflects that group's particular brand of libertarianism, favoring minimally regulated, laissez-faire markets, strong civil liberties, minimally regulated migration across borders, and non-interventionism in foreign policy that respects freedom of trade and travel to all foreign countries.

I'm failing to see the similarities, aside from the protection of civil liberties (and it's not like other parties run on anti-civil liberties platform).