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    Caught Norwegian freed in Afghanistan


    The Norwegian freelance journalist Paul Refsdal (46) is set free after having been in captivity for a week in Afghanistan with a group claiming to be connected to the Taliban.

    Ministry of Foreign Affairs (UD) has been working hard to get him released since they were informed about the hostage situation.
    Refsdal was captured Thursday in the last week with a male, Afghan interpreter, and he called himself to the Foreign Ministry and reporting the following day.
    Ministry of Foreign Affairs, who described it as a hostage-like situation, had contact with him other days.
    Today orientaded UD that both the Norwegian and his Afghan translator were released last night, and they find themselves in a safe place.
    - Very sad

    Refsdal was in Afghanistan on assignment for November Film production company to work on a documentary with the working title "On the other side."
    According to the documentary consultant Maria Fuglevaag Warsinski to the film follow three Afghans.
    Refsdal was captured in Kunar province, on the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan, by a group claiming to be related to the Taliban.
    This is a dangerous area, and according to the Foreign Ministry was Refsdal advised not to go there. It is not yet known which group is behind this action.
    - This is primarily very sad for him and us. Now our focus is to get this situation resolved as quickly as possible. That is where we have our thoughts now, and that is where we place our efforts and the little we can contribute, "said general manager in November Films, Kjetil Johnsen, told NRK after Refsdal was captured.
    He preferred not to go into detail on what the company could contribute, or whether it's then time was put forward some demands from the Afghan group.

    (Article continues below the image)

    U.S. soldiers seeking shelter in the Afghan Kunar province.
    Foto: David Guttenfelder/Scanpix/AP
    Photo: David Guttenfelder / Scanpix / AP - Do not put political demands

    According to the Pakistani news site thenews.com shall Qari Dawat, which he claims is a spokesperson for the group have said that the Norwegian was captured because "he came to the Taliban-controlled area without permission".
    Dawat promoted according to the news site earlier this week, a claim that the twelve Taliban prisoners had to be set free, in addition to that Norway had to pull its forces out of Afghanistan, for that Refsdal should be released.
    Foreign Ministry rejects, however, that it was put forward political demands, and by all accounts so that there was talk of a ransom.
    UD has since Friday been working hard to get him released. Prime Minister's office should also have been involved in the case.
    Refdals relatives have always been informed about the ongoing situation.
    (Artikkelen fortsetter under bildet)
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    Dette kartet viser de Taliban-kontrollerte omrĺdene i Afghanistan og Pakistan.
    This map shows the Taliban-controlled areas in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
    Kunar-provinsen ligger nord-řst for Kabul.
    Kunar province lies north-east of Kabul.
    Grafikk: Renate Rognan/NRK
    Graphics: Renate Rognan / NRK



    Have had to have the ministry's help earlier

    Pĺl Refsdal working as a freelance journalist and has been in Afghanistan many times. Documentary film he is now working on, is a project he should have been doing for years.
    He has worked in a number of the world's conflict zones since he first traveled to Afghanistan in the mid-1980s. At that time he followed mujahideen guerrillas in the country and followed several attacks against Soviet forces.
    The year after, he followed the Tamil separatists in a boat from India to Sri Lanka. The boat was attacked by government forces, and three people were killed, but Refsdal saved his life by jumping overboard.
    He has also followed several guerrilla groups in Central America in the 1980s.
    UD has also worked intensively to get Refsdal out of an area alive. In 1998, he was in Kosovo, where he worked closely with the Kosovo Albanian KLA guerrillas.
    In an attack he was hit by a grenade. He was severely wounded and eventually fled to a hospital as a KLA-controlled, and where he had to spend three months.
    Then he had to flee from place to place while he was being chased by Serb soldiers. He could not say exactly where he was staying, which made the ministry's efforts to help him out even harder, but he managed to leave the province.
    Some months later he returned. Then he followed with soldiers from the KLA guerrillas in Kosovo, in a border area towards Albania.
    When Norwegian media talked to him, he would not say exactly where he was.
    -
    The Serbs want Western journalists as prisoners of war, so I'm very careful, "he said then.
    Won the difficult conditions

    Before Refsdal went to Kosovo, he was a period means working for Norwegian People's Aid and Save the Children, and he has been the press and information officer for the Norwegian UN battalion in Bosnia.He has also been to the United Nations in Lebanon.
    In 2001, Refsdal awarded 50,000 dollars in compensation from the Norwegian People's Aid after they reported him to have tried to get a hitman to kill three Norwegians in the Norwegian People's Aid.
    Refsdal told about his experiences as a journalist in questioning by the Taliban group.
    - He says he was captured in Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion, and that he was arrested by Russian forces in Chechnya, so he is accustomed to problems and difficult conditions, "said Qari Dawat told Afghan Islamic Press earlier this week.
    Journalists in prison

    Several times before the journalists were captured by the Taliban.
    In September, the Irish journalist Stephen Farrell, who worked for The New York Times, set free after a NATO operation in northern Afghanistan. Also, the American journalist David Rohde was in captivity with the Taliban. He was sitting in over seven months.



    Pĺl Refsdal would not talk to any one when he was escorted to the afghan airport.

    -No ransom payed.
    -No political demands (example: militry withdraw from the country)
    -No rescue operations.


    Speculation: So why the hell was he (and his fellow afghan) released after 1 week? :s


    PS: The cool thing is that the whole press knew about it, but did not write anything about this before after his safety. Nice!
    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
    I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
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    Default Re: Norwegian war journalist released from Taliban... for what?

    Your article says exactly why he was released, hes making a movie to show the 'other side' (AKA the Taliban) in a more human light.

    The cool thing is that the whole press knew about it, but did not write anything about this before after his safety. Nice!
    What would they write? "As expected, this jerk who was told it was dangerous and stupid to even be there, got captured."
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    Who is their PR Manager, a 5 year old?

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    Default Re: Norwegian war journalist released from Taliban... for what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidmen View Post
    Your article says exactly why he was released, hes making a movie to show the 'other side' (AKA the Taliban) in a more human light.
    Awwww... You are making a nice film about us. We will let you go right now and forget about the milllions in ransom we had planned.


    ...ehhh....right. As a matter of fact, I heard on radio news that UD used some form of intelligence service with some Afghan (tribal) Leaders, but no more details. It was still without any $$$ or political demands... or my speculation: the fact that Kai Eide is 1st UN representaive in Afghan.




    Quote Originally Posted by Sidmen View Post
    What would they write?
    "As expected, this jerk who was told it was dangerous and stupid to even be there, got captured."


    Quote Originally Posted by Pious Agnost View Post
    Who is their PR Manager, a 5 year old?
    His mother, which might not be 5.
    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
    I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
    - The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.













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    Awwww... You are making a nice film about us. We will let you go right now and forget about the milllions in ransom we had planned.

    Awwww... You are making a nice film about us. We will let you go right now and forget about the milllions in ransom we had planned.
    Why is that so hard to believe? They can capture plenty of other people for ransom, but its not every day a Westener plans to make a film showing the Taliban in a reletively good light. They obviously thought the benefit of good PR was worth more then some ransom money.
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    ...Again I very much doubt that. Let me remind you that Afghanistan is the world's 181 worst country out of 182 countrys to live in. Only a complet idiot or a fanatical western man would decline millions for a small possibility of foreign PR in a sovreign were Afghan campaigns are not even controlled on the highest level, but Denmark(, Sweden), UK and US.
    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
    I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
    - The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.













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    PR wins wars just as much as money, guns and bombs man. Vietnam is a perfect example of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jin View Post
    PR wins wars just as much as money, guns and bombs man. Vietnam is a perfect example of that.
    Good thing we won that war. Just not unconditionally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    Good thing we won that war. Just not unconditionally.
    Now you've done it...
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    I belive you pro-media activists' when I know if he got his video tapes with him home or not .

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    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
    I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
    - The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.













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    Default Re: Norwegian war journalist released from Taliban... for what?

    The Taliban have gotten smarter since 2001, they have learned.

    In 2001 if you were a Westerner and the Taliban caught you you were dead. They learned though that killing journalists was counterproductive as it steeled Western opinion against them.
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    It had nothing to do with the 'other side' at all. This is what happend:

    The norwegian war journalist met with a Taliban 2nd commandant, and got invited to his area and safty. The taliban 2nd commandant then tricket the journalist, and took him as a prisenor for his own personal ransom.
    The elders then got extremly angry for this is, fori it's not an honorable way and is unjust in Afghanistan - So all in all, it was an afghan problem and an afghan sollution.

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    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
    I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
    - The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.













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    Default Re: Norwegian war journalist released from Taliban... for what?

    so what do we learn - listen to the old dudes

    this is acually movie material.. guess the movie just started a little earlier as paul himself assumed

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