Unit issues

[chala88]

i have downloaded this mods about 2 days ago, and i really love it, but actually i dislike 2 o 3 things, such as, the germans dont have at least 1 infantry axe unit,
or those strange hoplites with that shields ( etrurian and picene ) that doesnt look so Romans to me,
the same thing with the marsi they look so much "greek" style,
the itallic units, i dont know, something about them i dont like, but i dont know what, xD
and no archers for Rome :S, in one sentence, the romans unit are in lack of roman style.

As you can see i only named some units skins or minor things, the mod is beatifull really i love it, but with those changes, at least for me i would be the best mod i ever played for Rome Total War.

[Carados]

i have downloaded this mods about 2 days ago, and i really love it, but actually i dislike 2 o 3 things, such as, the germans dont have at least 1 infantry axe unit,
or those strange hoplites with that shields ( etrurian and picene ) that doesnt look so Romans to me,
the same thing with the marsi they look so much "greek" style,
the itallic units, i dont know, something about them i dont like, but i dont know what, xD
and no archers for Rome :S, in one sentence, the romans unit are in lack of roman style.

As you can see i only named some units skins or minor things, the mod is beatifull really i love it, but with those changes, at least for me i would be the best mod i ever played for Rome Total War.

Hi chala88!!

We need a warning label for everyone who downloads any mod with a bias towards historical accuracy .
I agree that some of these units don't look really Roman-like however that is the fault of modern day culture which instils in the general public the (very wrong) idea that all the Romans looked like they did at the time of the empire. In the time period we are playing at, 280BC, there was no empire! The units are a very good intepretation of what italic soldiers armed themselves like. It was the Romans who brought about the cultural change in Italy where they took the more flexible approach to war. The best thing is, you can reflect that cultural change in this mod! With building higher end barracks those greek-like italic soldiers get replaced by those who adopt the Roman method and start to look romanized.

The archers are a recurring problem. Archery was more an eastern thing. If you really want archers then you are best off recruiting cretan archers. Rome never made use of archers in their standard army. Mercenaries and allied troops were the way they incorporated bows into the army. With the marian reforms you can make use of armoured archers, however for this you need to hold the Syria region in the middle east. Again, Rome never really trained them themselves, they made use of allies.

[Quinn Inuit]

Sorry, I moved this because it didn't really belong in the unit documentation thread.

The Picene shouldn't look particularly Roman because they were a fairly different culture. The Etruscans were a completely different culture, to the point that we're not even sure to which ethnic groups they're related (I'm partial to the Luwian hypothesis, myself). So they really shouldn't look Roman, IMO.

The Marsi are going to get a bit of a redesign in the next version...I don't like how they're portrayed ATM. I think you're right that they should have a scutum. That said, many of the Italic groups had substantial Greek influence, so it shouldn't be surprising to see them running around with aspides.

The Italic units are actually based on Osprey book illustrations, I believe, and in the next version we'll be using some of the heavily researched FOE units.

Rome didn't have homegrown archers. (I get this one a lot.) They just didn't raise Roman archer units. Instead, they relied on Cretan mercenaries (and later Syrians) to provide archers, just like they mostly relied on Balearics for slingers. Even funditores were a relatively rare unit.

What don't you like about the Roman style? I thought Prometheus did a nice job with the Roman units we have.

Oh, and as for the German axemen, bear in mind that the axe isn't the greatest weapon in the world. It's slow and tends to get stuck in your target. Unless you desperately need its armour-piercing qualities, you're really better off with a sword or spear.

[chala88]

hi again;

I actually dont like 2 things of the roman units, the helm of the triarii, they remind me to the helms of some greek hoplite ( i would prefer them to use the same model of helm as the hastati or princeps )
And another thing is the bull on their shields. I dont know about that age, but the bull, at least now in our days its relationated with spain, they actually have a monument about bulls ( " plaza de los toros ", toros = bulls ), also in vanilla RTW, the iberians have the identification of the bull.

The thing around the pecine that i´ve refered before, is that i cant imagine roman armys at that time, with that kind of shield xD. Although i thought that the roman "spear unit" where only the triari, anyway im not historical accurate.

The barbarians, are barbarians, all of them used to have axes i like to think, and i also believe that they where easy to make. The berserk unit, i would prefer to see it with a 2 handed heavy weapon, such as axes, instead of with sword and shield like the other units.

Anyway, its q really nice mod i love it, good job ^^


PS: srry for my english i dont know if its easy to understand .

[Quinn Inuit]

hi again;

I actually dont like 2 things of the roman units, the helm of the triarii, they remind me to the helms of some greek hoplite ( i would prefer them to use the same model of helm as the hastati or princeps )
And another thing is the bull on their shields. I dont know about that age, but the bull, at least now in our days its relationated with spain, they actually have a monument about bulls ( " plaza de los toros ", toros = bulls ), also in vanilla RTW, the iberians have the identification of the bull.

Well, bear in mind that everybody back then wanted to be like the Greeks, so you should expect some similarities. As far as bulls, that's actually one of the things I've seen people make fun of vanilla RTW for. Spain had a totally different culture back then, and totally different inhabitants.

The thing around the pecine that i´ve refered before, is that i cant imagine roman armys at that time, with that kind of shield xD. Although i thought that the roman "spear unit" where only the triari, anyway im not historical accurate.

At the time, the only Roman spear unit was the triarii. But they pulled all kinds of troops from the locals, and they were armed however the locals were armed.

The barbarians, are barbarians, all of them used to have axes i like to think, and i also believe that they where easy to make. The berserk unit, i would prefer to see it with a 2 handed heavy weapon, such as axes, instead of with sword and shield like the other units.

Anyway, its q really nice mod i love it, good job ^^


PS: srry for my english i dont know if its easy to understand .

Axes were definitely easy to make, but swords were a lot more effective in combat in most cases. Spears, too, and they're even easier than axes to make.

A lot of barbarians carried shields, even ones who otherwise went naked. This is because barbarians also tended to throw things at each other prior to combat, and the ones that didn't carry shields...ahem...didn't reproduce.

Try playing the Dacians, though. I think you might like some of their units.

I'm glad you're enjoying the mod. And don't worry about your English. It's quite comprehensible.