Suicide

[Lord de Lyonesse]

Hey guys,

I wanted to see what people thought about suicide, do you think it is still a sin to the person comitting the act or do you think it just a sad occurence. I believe I have posted something of this callabre before and may start to bring about questions such as my attitude towards life and my thought of me ending it. Truth is I have been close to that edge before but I feel I cant do such a thing while my family are around (especially my grandfather who I know would be shocked at such a loss).

I just have a feeling in me that I dont want to grown old, I dont want to die slow and watch all my friends wither and die around me. I'd rather go down dying in late-youth having accomplished everything I set out to achieve and being recognised for bringing something to the world.

Im sorry if you find my thoughts startling but I just want to see what other people think.

[KingDave]

Hey guys,

I wanted to see what people thought about suicide, do you think it is still a sin to the person comitting the act or do you think it just a sad occurence. I believe I have posted something of this callabre before and may start to bring about questions such as my attitude towards life and my thought of me ending it. Truth is I have been close to that edge before but I feel I cant do such a thing while my family are around (especially my grandfather who I know would be shocked at such a loss).

I just have a feeling in me that I dont want to grown old, I dont want to die slow and watch all my friends wither and die around me. I'd rather go down dying in late-youth having accomplished everything I set out to achieve and being recognised for bringing something to the world.

Im sorry if you find my thoughts startling but I just want to see what other people think.

There are some ethical problems with suicide when you are perfectly healthy, young and able to contribute to society. In this case, you violate the rights of every person around you. Your country man gave you pretty much everything you don't have to live for and you want to just throw it back in their faces.

However, when you are old, unemployed and slowly dying, I'll happy to assist in your euthanasia. Because you're just a drain on society and really should just end it...

[S.L.I.G]

There are some ethical problems with suicide when you are perfectly healthy, young and able to contribute to society. In this case, you violate the rights of every person around you. Your country man gave you pretty much everything you don't have to live for and you want to just throw it back in their faces.

However, when you are old, unemployed and slowly dying, I'll happy to assist in your euthanasia. Because you're just a drain on society and really should just end it...

GOD that is such an abuse of the term I feel like im going to explode with rage.

[KingDave]

GOD that is such an abuse of the term I feel like im going to explode with rage.

It all comes down to what you can contribute to society. Most people who kill themselves are weak and therefore most likely a drain anyways. Indeed, great historical figures have killed themselves for the glory and benefit of the state. Those people can be respected. The modern emo kids who, while routinely cutting themselves, go a little too deep, are just a waste of space and their deaths should be remembered for what it is. The removal of wasteful human beings from the work force.

[Nazgûl Killer]

Hey guys,

I wanted to see what people thought about suicide, do you think it is still a sin to the person comitting the act or do you think it just a sad occurence. I believe I have posted something of this callabre before and may start to bring about questions such as my attitude towards life and my thought of me ending it. Truth is I have been close to that edge before but I feel I cant do such a thing while my family are around (especially my grandfather who I know would be shocked at such a loss).

I just have a feeling in me that I dont want to grown old, I dont want to die slow and watch all my friends wither and die around me. I'd rather go down dying in late-youth having accomplished everything I set out to achieve and being recognised for bringing something to the world.

Im sorry if you find my thoughts startling but I just want to see what other people think.

Well, what I think of suicide is that it's not a natural nor normal occurrence, and from my experience, people who opt to suicide or think suicidal thoughts are either traumatic/had a traumatic experience and can't help but think of suicidal thoughts, going through a very rough patch or something like that, in real emotional distress...
Or they're crybabies who had it all too good their entire lives and now, when facing a bit of difficulty, instead of facing with that difficulty and fighting it, getting past it, they opt for the cowardly choice of ending it all.

No offense, really, I'm in no position to tell you who you are or what you feel, that's for you to do.

I came to this realization from personal experience - Of which I will not get into details.

[ELITEOFKINGWARMAN8]

ONLY if you are about to die and there is 100% chance you will die from an illness and if you are suffering. Then fine, then it is OK.


Otherwise.... NO. It is unethical in my opinion in most cases.

[Groundtotem]

Mental illness can be just as bad as any physical illness. Mental illness can even be worse than anything physical for one simple reason; mental illness is alot harder to fix.

What some people here need to understand is that when someone is in such a bad state that they are considering to end there life they are not mentaly healthy.

kingdave:There are some ethical problems with suicide when you are perfectly healthy, young and able to contribute to society. In this case, you violate the rights of every person around you. Your country man gave you pretty much everything you don't have to live for and you want to just throw it back in their faces.

So what you are saying here is that if you are young and able to do good things in society, you don't have the right to be mentaly ill? Your saying that if you do feel like killing yourself you are then violating all the people around you? Throwing everything back in society's face? YOU sir don't know what your talking about.

Let me tell you something.

When someone is so mentally ill that they are on the brink of ending there life do you honestly think that they would not end it just becuase they want to show respect to society? The last thing someone that considers suicide think about is other people, that may sound harsh but thats the truth.
There is alot of things that can go wrong in a humans life, it does not matter if you got everything or if you have nothing. Just because someone is rich does not mean that there life is perfect.

Me personaly thinks that suicide is a bad thing, but im not gonna sit here and say that it's ethicaly wrong. What's ethicaly wrong is people that's telling others that they have no right to feel and do what they do.

[persianfan247]

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Or they're crybabies who had it all too good their entire lives and now, when facing a bit of difficulty, instead of facing with that difficulty and fighting it, getting past it, they opt for the cowardly choice of ending it all.

I consider suicide sometimes and I think I might be your crybaby. Also if your suicidal I have noticed that some arguments for living are rather silly like at least your life isn't as bad as some poor starving kid, stupid what the do I clear, so they are stronger then me, if they can stand their conditions fine, I can't stand mine even though it is way better then their's, also if I am a coward or cry baby what the does it matter to me. The only argument that I find even a little bit convincing is that it is a wasted opportunity which you will never have again.

[Nazgûl Killer]

I consider suicide sometimes and I think I might be your crybaby. Also if your suicidal I have noticed that some arguments for living are rather silly like at least your life isn't as bad as some poor starving kid, stupid what the do I clear, so they are stronger then me, if they can stand their conditions fine, I can't stand mine even though it is way better then their's, also if I am a coward or cry baby what the does it matter to me. The only argument that I find even a little bit convincing is that it is a wasted opportunity which you will never have again.

My statement wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at the general public, with that said, I will add that I will not try to sway you not to suicide or to suicide, not because I don't care, but because I'm an anonymous internet user which hardly knows you - And from the looks of it, I'd probably won't be able to help.

I would also like to add that suicidal thoughts are sometimes even cries for help, or just cries for attention - And I'm not the least bit qualified to tell the difference nor assume I do - So I refrain from trying to even help, not to make matters worse.

[Copperknickers II]

I wouldn't call it a sin, i do believe it is wrong.

[Katsumoto]

Well it depends on the culture, samurai for example would rather commit suicide and preserve their honour and dignity than to continue living in shame if they had done something wrong or been defeated.

[hellheaven1987]

Well it depends on the culture, samurai for example would rather commit suicide and preserve their honour and dignity than to continue living in shame if they had done something wrong or been defeated.

It is something I never understand. Chinese discourage suicide, but prefer to fight to the bitter end and die on battlefield. I am not sure why Japanese develop some suicide code and thought that is honorable - in fact, that is, from Chinese view, a dishonor because a man should not kill himself before his duty is ended.

[Chlodwig I.]

It is something I never understand. Chinese discourage suicide, but prefer to fight to the bitter end and die on battlefield. I am not sure why Japanese develop some suicide code and thought that is honorable - in fact, that is, from Chinese view, a dishonor because a man should not kill himself before his duty is ended.

You shouldn't believe that every samurai killed himself because of a defeat etc.
If the samurai would have killed themselves like it is shown in some some bad movies (e.g. Last Samurai) there wouldn't have been many left after some years of battle.

Chinese have a similar honor(face) concept as the Japanese.



But on topic

today a person that is trying to commit suicide has normally
a mental problem (depression etc.) and should go to a psychologist.

No healthy and mentally sane person would kill itself.

No its not a sin if a person commits suicide, it's a tragedy

[Groundtotem]

A question i've been thinking about for a while is this:

How does the "big" religions view suicide, i know that the think its a sin but what happens the to people in the after life? Do they go to hell or heaven?

If they got sent to hell is that the right thing? I mean a person that commits suicide is hardly sane and can there for not be judge as a sinner?

[Copperknickers II]

Unfortunately my friend, there are no Samurai to preserve that sacred and noble tradition of gutting yourself because you are in a bad mood.

Having said that, perhaps Emos are the Samurai's spiritual successors?

[Katsumoto]

I didnt mean now, I meant historically (obviously). And I wasnt saying it was a good thing, I was just giving a different view on a suicide, and saying they did it because they were in a "bad mood" is incredibly ignorant of what the culture was like back then, where your honour was incredibly important and death was not feared, even admired. And I have yet to hear of emos gutting themselves

[Maca]

It does no one good, there is nothing that you are going through that can't be helped.

Do I think it's a sin?
No, but that doesn't make it right.
I veiw suicide as wrong, really. This may be because I come from the part of my country that has the highest suicide rates amongst young people than anywhere else in the country. (Or that may be greatest percentage of young people commiting suicide, I don't know for sure.)

[G-Megas-Doux]

When suicide is for an emotional reason rather than for a practicality reason (e.g health reason described above) I do not see the point or necessity of suicide. It is not a practical option and unlike most options you do not have a second chance unless it is unsuccessful. I would not attempt it and would try and bring my focus away from what is upsetting me to something else so that when I bring my focus back I have a fresher view with options of how to get out of the situation I find depressing.

Remember that thoughts can spiral due to the rational used as an analysis path. Try starting from a positive view point and then continue the rational. When thoughts are happier they can cause a chemical release in your body that will help keep you centred especially if you have had morbid thoughts recently.

[Helm]

People who do that are generally seriously mentally ill. Unless they have serious and painful terminal illness or something that nature.

[Admiral Piett]

Nothing about suicide makes it warranting of a law that attempts to outlaw it.

Couldn't tell you about how ethical it is since I'm somewhat biased. I've had suicidal thoughts since childhood and its almost a natural part of my life that I just live with really. So couldn't really tell you if that makes me unethical.