Campidoctor
Atheism a religon on to it self.
Normally religion is about faith. Well Atheists believe that there is no GOD, but they have no proof that their is no god, so their faith justify their belief in Atheism. Just like other people who are religious. They will defend their faith against those who are against them.
“Nothing could be more dangerous to the existence of this Republic than to introduce religion into politics”
Centenarius
Re: Atheism a religon on to it self.
Not this again.
Campidoctor
Re: Atheism a religon on to it self.
I'm popping this out because in Seattle just had a Atheist convention and now we have buses in the streets with atheist propaganda.Originally Posted by GuineaPig
“Nothing could be more dangerous to the existence of this Republic than to introduce religion into politics”
Dux Limitis
Re: Atheism a religon on to it self.
Just because some atheists like to huddle up and moan about religion together doesn't mean there is some atheist unity. The very idea of going to an atheist convention is ridiculous for me.
Saying that atheists believe god doesn't exist is silly as well. I'm an atheist and in my ideas/convictions/beliefs the existence of a deity is simply irrelevant. Even if he/she/it existed I wouldn't worship him just because, I'd need a reason for that.
Re: Atheism a religon on to it self.
And yet atheist conventions exist. That is a fact. You shouldn't substitute your personal feeling for facts of reality.
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Dux Limitis
Re: Atheism a religon on to it self.
Did I deny that fact?
As I said some atheists like to huddle up. That pretty much sounds like i acknowledge that fact.
It's wrong however to take those atheists and transplant their views unto the whole of atheism, we tend to call that generalisation.
Indefinitely Banned
Re: Atheism a religon on to it self.
If atheism were a religion would that make it a stronger or weaker position?
Re: Atheism a religon on to it self.
Dr croccer beat me to the buddhist-atheist point...
Senator
Re: Atheism a religon on to it self.
three things:
1. Not being able to prove that something does not exist is not the same as not being able to prove that something does exist. I happen to be unable to disprove that there is a tea kettle in orbit around alpha centari. Does my persistent belief against it mean I am religious? (hint: no)
2. The definition of religion is not: "involves faith". Do better.
3. If atheism is a religion than so is capitalism. it is just semantic gymnastics, an attempt to change the meaning of the word religion. Even if by some stupid definition atheism is, does that make it wrong?
In any case an extraordinarily lazy argument.
Dux Limitis
Re: Atheism a religon on to it self.
But in all seriousness, the majority of Atheists are individualists. The nutters who join organisations, spout propaganda and generally just make a mockery of the claim that Atheism isn't like an organised religion are a minority.
Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.
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quaeri, si sapis
Re: Atheism a religon on to it self.
Atheism is not a religion because Theism is not a religion. It is one part, one opinion. Religions are whole idealistic and all-encompassing systems.
And you can hardly call disbelief in God a belief system. You cannot 'believe' there is no God, because God was an idea invented by man. Without Theism, there is still Atheism. Without Atheism, there is no Theism.
A new mobile phone tower went up in a town in the USA, and the local newspaper asked a number of people what they thought of it. Some said they noticed their cellphone reception was better. Some said they noticed the tower was affecting their health.
A local administrator was asked to comment. He nodded sagely, and said simply: "Wow. And think about how much more pronounced these effects will be once the tower is actually operational."
Re: Atheism a religon on to it self.
bollocks
atheists by definition dont subscribe to any organised religion; that doesnt mean they're spiritually dead. ppl can and are spiritual without subscribing to any organised religion as much as any of those religions would like to believe they hold a monopoly on "god"
Dux Limitis
Re: Atheism a religon on to it self.
Pretty much all western Atheists don't believe in God because they don't know the concept, but because they reject the concept or choose not to believe in it. So no, without Theism, there isn't Atheism. At least not in the Western sense. Without Theism, there is irreligion or naive Atheism.And you can hardly call disbelief in God a belief system. You cannot 'believe' there is no God, because God was an idea invented by man. Without Theism, there is still Atheism. Without Atheism, there is no Theism.
Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.
Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.
Jajem ssoref is m'n korewE goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtompWer niks is, hot kawsones
quaeri, si sapis
Re: Atheism a religon on to it self.
Atheism is lack of belief in God. Naive Atheism is still Atheism.
A new mobile phone tower went up in a town in the USA, and the local newspaper asked a number of people what they thought of it. Some said they noticed their cellphone reception was better. Some said they noticed the tower was affecting their health.
A local administrator was asked to comment. He nodded sagely, and said simply: "Wow. And think about how much more pronounced these effects will be once the tower is actually operational."
Dux Limitis
Re: Atheism a religon on to it self.
A Buddhist is technically an Atheist as well, does that mean he's exactly the same as Richard Dawkins and the two will see eye to eye?
Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.
Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.
Jajem ssoref is m'n korewE goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtompWer niks is, hot kawsones
Indefinitely Banned
Re: Atheism a religon on to it self.
Maybe we should not unify by what we don't believe in.
I myself am a humanist, I'd imagine many/most atheists would be some kind of humanist. Let's drop the meanignless title of what we're not and call us what we are.
PS. I hate the name P.E.A.R.L., as it is gay.
Domesticus
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I am an atheist, however I despise anyone who spouts off their religious beliefs on someone trying to convince them that theirs are right and his are wrong, be they atheist or not.
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Hi all,
Atheism IS a religion, a humanistic one. The religion of Godlessness. It's bible is the Atheist Manifesto, which is a real text incidentally. Most incriminating of all is that the are numerous Atheist organizations, which sound like churches to me, that Atheists rally to and with.
All these Atheists up in arms in this thread!
I've mostly read slur threads and posts against Christians in this sub forum, which by extension are attacks on Judaism and Islam and now that Atheists are being called out to explain themselves, they are all huffy puffy. Tsk, Tsk............
@Manco,
As I've stated many times in threads in this sub forum, that there is evidence to show that the Original Teachings of the Buddha DID in fact place union with Brahman (The personal and impersonal one and true God) as the ultimate goal of life making it the same as "attaining Nirvana/Nibbana." The now available Buddhist texts also mention Gods like Brahma (NOT Brahman, by the way) as well as Devas and other supernatural beings called Nagas.
hellas1
Last edited by hellas1; November 12, 2009 at 12:04 PM.
quaeri, si sapis
Re: Atheism a religon on to it self.
Of course not, that's the whole point. Atheism says nothing about you except whether you believe God exists. Calling it a religion is like calling dislike of Marmite a religion. You either love it or you hate it. Not all marmite haters are Nihlists, maybe some are, but that is irrelevent.
Mixed metaphors as usual, replace Marmite with Atheism for those not familiar with them.
A new mobile phone tower went up in a town in the USA, and the local newspaper asked a number of people what they thought of it. Some said they noticed their cellphone reception was better. Some said they noticed the tower was affecting their health.
A local administrator was asked to comment. He nodded sagely, and said simply: "Wow. And think about how much more pronounced these effects will be once the tower is actually operational."
Senator
Re: Atheism a religon on to it self.
well im an atheist and i have no faith about anything, except the stupidity in humanity, when people wake up and pray to their god or whatever, i dont care, when people go to church to please their god, i dont care, when people ask for gods help/forgiveness/whatever, i dont care, in fact the only time i think about being an atheist is when it gets brought up in a subject such as this, and it frustrates me because i have absolutely no faith as said before, i simply live my life, i dont worry about there being a god because to be honest if there happens to be one, well he is a complete and utter prick in my eyes
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