Praeses
I'm tired of the myth of "horrible Soviet agriculture"
Even I as an high rank agriculturist's grandson, I learned several new things from this economics professor (I've enjoyed many histories and knowledge given to me by my grandfather). So, READ AND LEARN. This is more or less conclusive proof, and finally an unbiased westerner (along with a few others like Glantz who don't let their political views interfere in their research).
http://www.usm.maine.edu/eco/joe/works/Soviet.html
Primicerius
Re: I'm tired of the myth of "horrible Soviet agriculture"
The effect of Soviet cotton fields in Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and others has a documented process of destorying the land and turning Turkmenistan into an expanding desert. While I'm sure the majority of European dominated Soviet argiculture was spared, there are cases and is cases where their policies have just destoryed land.
Praeses
Re: I'm tired of the myth of "horrible Soviet agriculture"
The goal was to make desert ariable (because, despite of USSR's size, there was very little ariable land). The concequences on the Caspian has been disasterous though, and I agree. However pollution has just become worse. 15 Years ago the Volga was a clean river. Now, if you try to bathe in it you will get skin diseases.
Saviors of the Japanese
Re: I'm tired of the myth of "horrible Soviet agriculture"
Umm...
You're using an article from the Cold War, where the West and much of the Soviets didn't have true records?
“The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”
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ز آفتاب درخشان ستاره می
Re: I'm tired of the myth of "horrible Soviet agriculture"
which obviously downplayed American contributions to Soviet agriculture in the Inter-War period?Originally Posted by Future Redleg Officer
, dunno if it is possible to link journals directly from JSTOR here,but there are some brilliant ones on this topic.
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Dux Limitis
Re: I'm tired of the myth of "horrible Soviet agriculture"
Titles, give me titles!which obviously downplayed American contributions to Soviet agriculture in the Inter-War period?
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ز آفتاب درخشان ستاره می
Re: I'm tired of the myth of "horrible Soviet agriculture"
I will gladly do so:
- The Soviet-American Grain Agreement and the National Interest
- Josef C. Brada
- American Journal of Agricultural Economics, Vol. 65, No. 4 (Nov., 1983), pp. 651-656
- Published by: Blackwell Publishing on behalf of the Agricultural & Applied Economics Association
- Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/1240452
- The American Tractor Comes to Soviet Agriculture: The Transfer of a Technology
- Dana G. Dalrymple
- Technology and Culture, Vol. 5, No. 2 (Spring, 1964), pp. 191-214
- Published by: The Johns Hopkins University Press on behalf of the Society for the History of Technology
- Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/3101161
- Blinded by Technology: American Agriculture in the Soviet Union, 1928-1932
- Deborah Fitzgerald
- Agricultural History, Vol. 70, No. 3 (Summer, 1996), pp. 459-486
- Published by: Agricultural History Society
- Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/3744095
hope that gives you a good start
Last edited by Babur; November 11, 2009 at 04:47 PM.
Saviors of the Japanese
Re: I'm tired of the myth of "horrible Soviet agriculture"
It isn't possible. But yea, US grain shipments were vital for the Soviet Union.
“The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”
—Sir William Francis Butler
ز آفتاب درخشان ستاره می
Re: I'm tired of the myth of "horrible Soviet agriculture"
damn
well I saw a journal on JSTOR which basically discussed how the Soviets also imported American tractors too.
Czar would call that Western Propaganda
Praeses
Re: I'm tired of the myth of "horrible Soviet agriculture"
nah, he would probably put more emphasis on overweight americans
Czar would call that Western Propaganda
they just used all the potatoes for the vodka. thats why there were famines. plus christians as well as muslims sometimes dont eat as well. one could say famines in the udssr was the communists approach to embrace religious values.
ز آفتاب درخشان ستاره می
Re: I'm tired of the myth of "horrible Soviet agriculture"
nah, he would probably put more emphasis on overweight americans
they just used all the potatoes for the vodka. thats why there were famines. plus christians as well as muslims sometimes dont eat as well. one could say famines in the udssr was the communists approach to embrace religious values.
well all your problems disappear with vodka
Comes Domesticorum
Re: I'm tired of the myth of "horrible Soviet agriculture"
The problems of Soviet agriculture is not the agriculture itself, but poor infrastructure to transport those food out of producing regions. This fact had appeared for quite long time within Russia, and effort to improve infrastructure did not provide much change. The result was that large amount of goods were produced, but most of them remained in producing regions and unable to transport to demanding regions (in fact, many goods were left to degraded on roadside during 50s for that problem). This problem also mean Soviet lost the Cold War as early as 50s, as Soviet had to rely on US export in order to provide enough food.
Dux Limitis
Re: I'm tired of the myth of "horrible Soviet agriculture"
But the USSR was state Atheist.nah, he would probably put more emphasis on overweight americans
they just used all the potatoes for the vodka. thats why there were famines. plus christians as well as muslims sometimes dont eat as well. one could say famines in the udssr was the communists approach to embrace religious values.
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Vicarius
Re: I'm tired of the myth of "horrible Soviet agriculture"
Fact remains, the Soviet Union was at several times unable to feed it's own population properly.
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Campidoctor
Re: I'm tired of the myth of "horrible Soviet agriculture"
Which is pretty crazy when you consider just how much grain the Ukraine used to export under the Tsarist regime. Mmm good old fashioned socialist progress.
Re: I'm tired of the myth of "horrible Soviet agriculture"
You know how there were famines in the Soviet Union? There's your answer
Vicarius
Re: I'm tired of the myth of "horrible Soviet agriculture"
Oh now why did you quite Barry, I said it first.
FURST DAMN IT
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Saviors of the Japanese
Re: I'm tired of the myth of "horrible Soviet agriculture"
Could the Soviet reliance on US grain be one of the reasons the Cold War never went hot?
“The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”
—Sir William Francis Butler
Re: I'm tired of the myth of "horrible Soviet agriculture"
Yet the Soviet Union had to import grain from the US. Yet there were famines. Collectivization was epic failure.
Dux Limitis
Re: I'm tired of the myth of "horrible Soviet agriculture"
Fantabular Chinggy.
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