Preemptive Obama Thread

[JP226]

I'm preempting the mistakes he's going to make tomorrow. Obama will most likely lay a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier at Arlington. Yet I ask, given his postponing and political posturing on sending the reinforcements, that even a blind man can see are needed, to Afghanistan how can he do that and not be hypocritical?

FOrget Bush and whether the war was right or not, the situation is you have X amount of Soldiers trying to accomplish a given mission and they can't according to them without N additional soldiers. Does that not equip the tomb of the unkown soldier with additional bodies?

[Ænema]

I really don't see how hard this is for obama, it's either step up or step out. Engage or disengage.

Short answer: Yes he's a hypocrite.

[motiv-8]

FFS, it's Veteran's Day and he's the in Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. Take a in day off.

[Farnan]

FFS, it's Veteran's Day and he's the in Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. Take a in day off.

I agree.

[Phier]

FFS, it's Veteran's Day and he's the in Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. Take a in day off.

I see the Obama cheerleader is out. Its Veteran's day yes, and being potential future vets are in limbo and dying while he politically waffles its a PERFECT day for this, not a ing day to take off thank you very much.

Not to mention the Afghan election has only just been settled.

And this has what to do with anything?

"Oh we can't send troops until we know who the new president of Afghanistan is going to be."

This effects what how? Its either stay in or pull out, and who is the titular leader of Afghanistan really doesn't matter in that regard.

[removeduser_487563287433]

I see the Obama cheerleader is out. Its Veteran's day yes, and being potential future vets are in limbo and dying while he politically waffles its a PERFECT day for this, not a ing day to take off thank you very much.

He's committing 30,000 more troops today.

And this has what to do with anything?

"Oh we can't send troops until we know who the new president of Afghanistan is going to be."

This effects what how? Its either stay in or pull out, and who is the titular leader of Afghanistan really doesn't matter in that regard.

It has to do with the fact it's not worth Americans dying for a democracy that doesn't exist. That attitude has us all stuck in this mess for a long time.

[JP226]

Tomorrow I will most likely thanks to burgers and hotdogs. That's why I preempted.

Obama is nothing more than one of those WW1 commanders that would throw men into the and could care nothing for nothing more than their careers.

[Jabberwock]

Obama is nothing more than one of those WW1 commanders that would throw men into the and could care nothing for nothing more than their careers.

He is the president, he's at the pinnacle of his career. What's next up the ladder? Emperor of the World?

He has everything to lose and nothing to gain.

EDIT: Now I'm confused you say men are obviously needed then you say Obama is just throwing in people to fight for "career advancement". So you don't want Obama to deploy people?

[Syriana]

Obama is nothing more than one of those WW1 commanders that would throw men into the and could care nothing for nothing more than their careers.

An apt comparison; a convienent target for the uninformed masses who will look for any scapegoat to blame everything on.

It may interest you to know that more Senior Officers - including up to Brigadier Generals - died in World War I than World War II.

But hey, just as we won't let the facts get in the way of your partisan hackery, let's not let the facts get in the way of your painfully ignorant and populist jibe at WWI Generals.

[Exarch]

so he deploys more men
he loses
1) shows he broke his campagin promise
2) a few more men that the USG can spare wont be enough to win the war in afghanistan since his strategy is meant to be a winding down and pulling out

[removeduser_487563287433]

I'm preempting the mistakes he's going to make tomorrow. Obama will most likely lay a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier at Arlington. Yet I ask, given his postponing and political posturing on sending the reinforcements, that even a blind man can see are needed, to Afghanistan how can he do that and not be hypocritical?

FOrget Bush and whether the war was right or not, the situation is you have X amount of Soldiers trying to accomplish a given mission and they can't according to them without N additional soldiers. Does that not equip the tomb of the unkown soldier with additional bodies?

Not necessarily. I agree that if we are to stay in Afghanistan then more troops are required yesterday. But if we're not?

Suppose we're a bit late;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6911741.ece

30,000 more US troops, with Obama to request 4,000 more from NATO.

I don't know where that NATO contribution is going to come from. The UK is adding 400 - and is unable to suitably equip the troops already there. And if we can't, who else is going to?

[Mithie]

Oh Jesus Christ, I think this board just hit a new low.

Pretending to know what dead soldiers want and using their sacrifice to prove some political point and take a jab at someone you dislike is the lowest of the low.

Have some ing respect, will you?

Dead soldiers are DEAD, may they rest in peace; they've served their time, did their duty, and you're NOT going to dig them up to make them your own personal goddamn lobbyist group.

[Exarch]

Oh Jesus Christ, I think this board just hit a new low.

Pretending to know what dead soldiers want and using their sacrifice to prove some political point and take a jab at someone you dislike is the lowest of the low.

Have some ing respect, will you?

Dead soldiers are DEAD, may they rest in peace; they've served their time, did their duty, and you're NOT going to dig them up to make them your own personal goddamn lobbyist group.

them die hard republicans caint see nothing else but red red and more red

[Erik]

Oh Jesus Christ, I think this board just hit a new low.

Pretending to know what dead soldiers want and using their sacrifice to prove some political point and take a jab at someone you dislike is the lowest of the low.

Seconded.

[JP226]

Oh Jesus Christ, I think this board just hit a new low.

Pretending to know what dead soldiers want and using their sacrifice to prove some political point and take a jab at someone you dislike is the lowest of the low.

Have some ing respect, will you?

Dead soldiers are DEAD, may they rest in peace; they've served their time, did their duty, and you're NOT going to dig them up to make them your own personal goddamn lobbyist group.

That's nice and all, but I don't exactly know where I or anyone else is "pretending to know what dead soldiers want."

Not necessarily. I agree that if we are to stay in Afghanistan then more troops are required yesterday. But if we're not?

Suppose we're a bit late;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6911741.ece

30,000 more US troops, with Obama to request 4,000 more from NATO.

I don't know where that NATO contribution is going to come from. The UK is adding 400 - and is unable to suitably equip the troops already there. And if we can't, who else is going to?

Well I suppose that means he saw the same delimma I did. I'm kind of surprised that the UK can only dish out an extra 400, you guys are number 2 to the US in force projection and dumped many many more into Iraq.

[Mithie]

That's nice and all, but I don't exactly know where I or anyone else is "pretending to know what dead soldiers want."

Your original post:

"I'm preempting the mistakes he's going to make tomorrow. Obama will most likely lay a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier at Arlington. Yet I ask, given his postponing and political posturing on sending the reinforcements, that even a blind man can see are needed, to Afghanistan how can he do that and not be hypocritical?"

You're exploiting the tomb of the unknown soldier, a representation of troops who gave their lives in war, to elicit a political statement about Obama's supposed shortcomings. In short, you're abusing a historical symbol of sacrifice and duty to lobby for a particular political statement - as a carp against the current commander in chief.

If you think - truly think - and without any reservations about saving face on some message board but actually think whole-heartedly that this is ethically sound, then we're done here. I have nothing further to say on the matter.

[Barry Ferguson]

Well I suppose that means he saw the same delimma I did. I'm kind of surprised that the UK can only dish out an extra 400, you guys are number 2 to the US in force projection and dumped many many more into Iraq.

Our occupation force in Iraq was about the same size as our force in Afghanistan. The 45,000 men deployed to invade Iraq represent nearly half of our regular army. We have done more than our share.

Aside from that, the war is deeply unpopular and wisely perceived as being already lost. More soldiers is political suicide for any British government

[December]

With his burgers and weiners.

[Ahlerich]

if we get eastern germany back germany will take care of this. rofl

[Barry Ferguson]

Could it be he's, you know, waiting to see what happens in Pakistan first?