Jihadists Rail Against AQ

[Mikelus Trento]

Evidently the jihadists have become upset with AQ's actions that run contrary to the Koran. Do you think this will force AQ to target more military specific targets? I think it might make them take civilians more into consideration.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa...ode/index.html

[MathiasOfAthens]

No I dont. This Jihadist leader is in prison. AQ will say that he was forced to say these things. AQ will continue to target both civilian and military targets because they can and they beleive it is right by allah to do so.

[mrmouth]

The actual leadership of AQ, has never signed off on killing innocent Muslims. In fact, in Iraq there was a major power struggle between the various Sunni insurgent groups, and genuine AQ agents who traveled to Iraq. Most notably was Zarqawi, who ultimately agreed to UBL's demands to stop the mass killings of civilians, in order to merge his group with AQ. Zarqawi fled from Afghanistan, to Iraq, prior to the invasion, and was always at odds with AQ, but had a working relationship in that they would cooperate for the greater good.

In the end, UBL brought the pimp hand, and Zarqawi was very likely exposed by senior AQ agents, after AQI continued its indiscriminate mass killings. It was very uch a case of things getting away from them, and the decision to bring in Zarqawi officially, was the only option as an all out war between Sunni insurgent groups was looming. They were already killing each other at a good clip.

Overall though, AQ is an umbrella organization, with very little if any control over the offshoot groups that have been born after 9/11, or the plethora of groups that have existed well before. Most of which either are already, or are looking to merge with AQ in Pakistan.

There is much speculation as to whether UBL has lost control (or that UBL is dead, or incapacitated) of the people that AQ propped up in Pakistan, that forced out the old guard of Taliban leadership, who we might have been able to reason with to some degree.


Michael Ware, was really considered the foremost expert on the various Sunni insurgent groups within Iraq. He had unprecedented access, and when abducted once by Zarqawi, around the time they were beheading people daily, had his life sparred by senior AQ agents, before the merger with Zarqawi. Anyhow, he always was amazed at the fundamental shift in thinking he saw in the insurgents, over the years he was in Iraq. It started with idealistic young men who simply wanted to eject a foreign power. And it turned into a bloodlust, where then battle hardened men, grew long beards, considered anyone fair game, and had greater ambitions beyond Iraq. They became Islamist zombies where if not actively fighting, were reading the Koran, or sleeping.

And I think ultimately, that is what the destiny of these groups. Whether it be AQ in the Islamic Maghreb, which has been active for decades in Algeria, and has become so radcial they have set their sights on all of Africa, or any other Islamist group. You have maybe 2-3 groups that have not set their sights beyond the borders they operate within currently.

In doing so, they eventually grow to powerful for someones tastes, step on toes, or just completely collapse from within after adopting a quasi-scorched earth policy. It really is a waiting game after we decide to engage these groups. Even 'small things', like targeting their money, really throws a wrench in the works.

[Babur]

This is pretty refllective of general feelings amongst Muslims, even those associated with radicalism, that the only proper targets are military ones. This is also not the first time that al-Qaeda has riled Muslims with its "kill anybody" approach, but I think that just points out that al-Qaeda doesn't care. Anybody who isn't with them is a non-believer, whether they are Muslim or not.

The actual leadership of AQ, has never signed off on killing innocent Muslims. In fact, in Iraq there was a major power struggle between the various Sunni insurgent groups, and genuine AQ agents who traveled to Iraq. Most notably was Zarqawi, who ultimately agreed to UBL's demands to stop the mass killings of civilians, in order to merge his group with AQ. Zarqawi fled from Afghanistan, to Iraq, prior to the invasion, and was always at odds with AQ, but had a working relationship in that they would cooperate for the greater good.

In the end, UBL brought the pimp hand, and Zarqawi was very likely exposed by senior AQ agents, after AQI continued its indiscriminate mass killings.

Overall though, AQ is an umbrella organization, with very little if any control over the offshoot groups that have been born after 9/11, or the plethora of groups that have existed well before. Most of which either are already, or are looking to merge with AQ in Pakistan.

There is much speculation as to whether UBL has lost control (or that UBL is dead, or incapacitated) of the people that AQ propped up in Pakistan, that forced out the old guard of Taliban leadership, who we might have been able to reason with to some degree.

why didn't I see you mention that Islam forms a monolithic entity?

[motiv-8]

This is pretty refllective of general feelings amongst Muslims, even those associated with radicalism, that the only proper targets are military ones. This is also not the first time that al-Qaeda has riled Muslims with its "kill anybody" approach, but I think that just points out that al-Qaeda doesn't care. Anybody who isn't with them is a non-believer, whether they are Muslim or not.

[motiv-8]

The actual leadership of AQ, has never signed off on killing innocent Muslims. In fact, in Iraq there was a major power struggle between the various Sunni insurgent groups, and genuine AQ agents who traveled to Iraq. Most notably was Zarqawi, who ultimately agreed to UBL's demands to stop the mass killings of civilians, in order to merge his group with AQ. Zarqawi fled from Afghanistan, to Iraq, prior to the invasion, and was always at odds with AQ, but had a working relationship in that they would cooperate for the greater good.

Pragmatism, little more. The excess of violence turned a lot of Sunni chiefs away from al-Qaeda, and it stands to reason that they would try to improve their tarnished image. However, perhaps an event like that described in the OP might mean al-Qaeda makes some more clarifying statements, though I'm honestly betting that it will simply prompt them to declare all those involved kuffar.

[RomanSoldier9001]

Why would Al Quaeda or anny Jihadists or anyone for that matter listen to a group that now is under control by "Libyan Goverment" and of course Gaddafi a crazy dictator that invented a "socialist" ideology that only him believes. Oh and wants Switzerland to dissapear.

[BlackPirate]

Well i always though it was stupid for AQ to kill innocent civilians like this.Whats the point?For Marketing reasons?Even muslims who support AQ will not justify those killings but will say things like "US put the bomb"...

[Pickle_mole]

9/11 sure was effective, 6ish dudes killed 3 thousand people, nocked down two of our biggest buidlings, sent our economy downwards for a while and sent us to war.

The spain bombings knocked those idiots out of the war, what pussies really shame on you spain and your weak will.

[Hax]

9/11 sure was effective, 6ish dudes killed 3 thousand people, nocked down two of our biggest buidlings, sent our economy downwards for a while and sent us to war.

The spain bombings knocked those idiots out of the war, what pussies really shame on you spain and your weak will.

Oh, the "we" people. I love them!

I do think the retaliatory action of "we" (what's "we" anyways?) killed more civilians than 9/11. Of course, we were totally justified in doing that because of that attack. Remember how the Iraqis attacked us? That was horrible :<