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    Default Would you live under totalitarianism, if...

    The totalitarian regime was under your ideology?

    For example, if you're a libertarian would you be fine with living in a libertarian dictatorship that forces libertarian principles on all individuals? (Notice the Orwellian in that question)

    How about a conservative or liberal totalitarian government?

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    Well I am a Communist so a totalitarian or even a government period is contrary to my ideology.. As you cannot have a "Communist Dictatorship" but merely one who claims to be Communist while betraying all they claim to stand for.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slurricane View Post
    Well I am a Communist so a totalitarian or even a government period is contrary to my ideology.. As you cannot have a "Communist Dictatorship" but merely one who claims to be Communist while betraying all they claim to stand for.
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    I am totally against totalitarianism.



    BTW, actually today there are libertarian totalitarian states. It just is in a different shape. It's like oligarchical dictatorship.
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    No but you won't have a chance to choose in real totalitarian state; aside from few usefull idiot intelectuals facinated with ***ism people are trying to leave such states; even members of establishment/inner party.




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    Sure I would. I'd be more in favor of a Constitutional Republic, however... very much so.
    The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State. - James Madison

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwock View Post

    For example, if you're a libertarian would you be fine with living in a libertarian dictatorship that forces libertarian principles on all individuals? (Notice the Orwellian in that question)
    Wouldn't that be defeating the idea?

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    Default Re: Would you live under totalitarianism, if...

    For example, if you're a libertarian would you be fine with living in a libertarian dictatorship that forces libertarian principles on all individuals?
    If you had an authoritarian state that didn't impose but respected libertarian principles, that might work, but a totalitarian one cannot because it implies control at all levels of society, something that would be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to reconcile with libertarianism.

    I wouldn't want to live in any sort of totalitarian regime, regardless of its ideology, unless I was one of the leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwock View Post
    The totalitarian regime was under your ideology?

    For example, if you're a libertarian would you be fine with living in a libertarian dictatorship that forces libertarian principles on all individuals? (Notice the Orwellian in that question)

    How about a conservative or liberal totalitarian government?
    Lol @ libertarian authoritarianism

    Anyway, I'd gladly live in a conservative totalitarian state...as long as I'm the ruler, or at least a very important government official

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Goldwater View Post
    Lol @ libertarian authoritarianism

    Anyway, I'd gladly live in a conservative totalitarian state...as long as I'm the ruler, or at least a very important government official
    ROTFLOL at libertarian authoritarianism!

    I sorta agree with Barry, my experience with democracy, especially fledgling ones like mine is that the people aren't really disciplined and knowledgeable enough to exercise it. in my country everyone talks about democratic rights but know none about responsibilities, and any effort by the state to enforce laws is always decried as being "authoritarian." So I'd rather have an authoritarian state in order to bring economic development, much like the style of other asian-values regimes in E and SE Asia.
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    You ask for an impossibility my friend.
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    Any American who answers "yes" to this question is more than welcome to leave at first opportunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    Any American who answers "yes" to this question is more than welcome to leave at first opportunity.


    I kid, I kid

    Honestly, I can't and won't live under any totalitarian gov't, I'd probably cross the border to Mexico in that case.
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    No, partly because it would be impossible...

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    I'm a liberal, and staunch supporter of human rights and democracy, so how would a totalitarian regime according to my ideology even function?
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    This is the best thread ever.

    Would you live under a totaliterian regime? If you're a libertarian would you be fine with living in a libertarian dictatorship....Roflmao! That cracked me up, sheer genius!

    Priceless. Can I sig it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    This is the best thread ever.

    Would you live under a totaliterian regime? If you're a libertarian would you be fine with living in a libertarian dictatorship....Roflmao! That cracked me up, sheer genius!

    Priceless. Can I sig it?
    Doesn't seem too ridiculous when you think about it...
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    Doesn't seem too ridiculous when you think about it...
    Yes of course it doesn't maybe in America where a Libertarian can also be a KKK supporter and somehow manage to make a dozen other incongruous political and moral ideological things congruous yes I guess so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    Yes of course it doesn't maybe in America where a Libertarian can also be a KKK supporter and somehow manage to make a dozen other incongruous political and moral ideological things congruous yes I guess so.
    Hey, the Gilded Age and most of the Industrial Age came close to (economic) totalitarianism. Or the Congo Free State.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    No; such a thing would be impossible anyway since my political beliefs are against totalitarianism.
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    A totalitarian libertarian is not as ironic as it sounds.

    Indeed, many ancient governments were that way. A powerful ruler who controls an army and manages rudimentary civil services didn't care what you did and barely interfered with society as long as taxes were paid.
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